Nvidia has about 2 updates a month. Not sure why it matters though. I want good drivers, not frequent installs.
Nvidia quite often has known problems that take quite a while to fix, so it's not like a driver update fixes all existing bugs. That doesn't seem any different for AMD, although I'm not sure how well they are at fixing bugs exactly.
AMD's Threadripper Pro 5000 series is OEM only for now, built on the WRX80 chipset/platform. Not really an enthusiast HEDT system. Not sure what Intel will be doing with HEDT, rumors seem to indicate a tradition high performance system friendlier to DIYers - guess we'll have to see. Seems like it would be based on Sapphire Rapids - anywhere from 14-56 cores ('P' cores only). I imagine Intel will be more overclocker friendly.I think again ultimately my deciding factor will be on what Threadripper comes out with.
If the next Gen HEDT's are trash, like how they are now, then i guess i will get whatever gives me the most performance without breaking the 5th wall in budget.
But if next gen HEDT's are good, then if its intel, i would probably go with NVidia's solution, and if its Threadripper, i will most likely go with the RX solution provided SAM improvements are out there, and SAM works as intended.
But AMD's only downside is the lack of driver updates.
Nvidia is poping drivers updates at a rate of 3-4x what AMD has.
This is why i keep with Nvidia, otherwise i would of probably went on 6900XT's and not my 3090 seeing how it was 40% cheaper @ a less then 5% performance benifit.
Nvidia is releasing 6-12 driver updates a month?
Genuinely asking because AMD is releasing 2-3, and on the rare occasion 4 a month.
It doesn't matter, but the previous poster made the claim nvidia releases drivers 3-4x as often as AMD which is blatantly false.
AMD's Threadripper Pro 5000 series is OEM only for now, built on the WRX80 chipset/platform. Not really an enthusiast HEDT system. Not sure what Intel will be doing with HEDT, rumors seem to indicate a tradition high performance system friendlier to DIYers - guess we'll have to see. Seems like it would be based on Sapphire Rapids - anywhere from 14-56 cores ('P' cores only). I imagine Intel will be more overclocker friendly.
I agree with Aigo for the most part on HEDT. I want a nice high end desktop system, with lots of lanes and features, and a fair amount of cores. And it should be great for overclocking and gaming. That is why I loved X99 and X58 back in the day. Probably my favorite Intel platforms.
As for driver updates, in my recent experience it seems AMD has more, but a lot of them are not WHQL. Not being WHQL is not a big deal for most people, as IMO many of these new updates help with something, but the reason I prefer WHQL now is that 3Dmark requires it for being a legitimate benchmark score for some dumb reason. Also, a small negative for newer AMD drivers in general, is that miners such as Phoenix need to be updated to "properly" support the latest. This may be even more niche, but it is relevant for those who want to game on a Radeon card with the latest game drivers, and maybe mine on the off time when not gaming.
Anyway, great picture Aigo, both those are really nice cards!
My X99 with an i7 5820k lasted me quite a long time, just shy of 6 years, and it's still chugging along as my dad's daily driver. I suspect my R9 5950X will give me a similar 5+ years of service. Also, since SLI is dead for gaming purposes, I don't worry too much about having lots of PCIe lanes anymore. More lanes would be nice to have if motherboards had more NVME slots, but typically they only have two slots.
Running your fancy new computers…- And here I am on my 6600K, rounding out 6 years of service come June...
Running your fancy new computers…
At this point in gaming, i really do not care for the amount of cores on a HEDT.
I honestly think HEDT is a stupid subsection in PC building, which has no real niche... they should of just left it as enterprise, and kept it enterprise.
I really want the raw PCI-E lanes.
Each nVME is 4x, my 10gbe card takes 8x, i usually typically have 2 GPU's because my RiftS requires a DP, and i am also running 3 monitors.
Typically i have the RiftS on its own dedicated videocard.
But yeah 2 videocards = 32 lanes by itself, which by itself exceeds most consumer based systems including Ryzen 9 and i9's.
I need HEDT with lanes.... and not a super massive core count to drive the prices insane and into enterprise territory.
Hence why i am hoping the new HEDT will have a 12-16 core count segment with lots of cache and at least 64+ PCI-E Lanes to play with, as well as fundimentally allow overclocking ,which the TR PRO's don't, and don't get me started on the TR Pro.
| Full Navi 31 | $2499 | |
| Cut Navi 31 | $1999 | Slight Cut AD102 |
| Full Navi 32 | $1499 | Deeper Cut AD102 |
| Cut Navi 32 | $1199 | |
| $999 | Full AD104 | |
| Full Navi 33 | $799 | Cut AD104 |
| Cut Navi 33 | $699 | 3080 10 GB (GA103) |
| 6750 XT | $499 | 3070 |
| 6650 XT | $399 | 3060 Ti |
| $329 | 3060 | |
| $249 | 3050 |
Besides video cards, isn't it often close to what you might actually can buy the product at?What is this thing called "MSRP" websites are stating?
Name one MSRP the past 3 yrs which actually held true.
MSRP died 2019 long with the category "budget pc gamer".
My FE 3090 MSRP was $1499, and that's what I paid.What is this thing called "MSRP" websites are stating?
Name one MSRP the past 3 yrs which actually held true.
MSRP died 2019 long with the category "budget pc gamer".
What is this thing called "MSRP" websites are stating?
Name one MSRP the past 3 yrs which actually held true.
MSRP died 2019 long with the category "budget pc gamer".
- Arizona Iced Tea is still $0.99. The fact that its printed on the can makes retailer mark-up a bit awkward too...
But I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant.
Maybe the card MSRP should just be printed on the box/card somewhere?
MSRP is just for the FE designs, though. The cards from ASUS, EVGA, etc are not the same design. So the cost to make them is different, as well as the value.
The high prices (excluding mining frenzies) must be propped up by young, impulsive kids with credit cards. I know for a fact that if credit cards weren't accepted for sales and some 20-something gamer had to hand over $1500 in actual cash from their bank account to buy a stupid GPU, they would NOT be buying that GPU. Not now and probably not ever. Sales of high-end GPUs would plummet by 90%. Nvidia will continue to exploit stupid, because stupid is unfortunately a perfectly renewable resource for them.
The 4000 series will exploit the vast resource of stupid and will be the most profitable generation in Nvidia's history. These days, if a new GPU performs significantly better than last gen, it's considered an anomalous breakthrough and any price hike is seen as more than justified. If the cards are fast, they will cost an absolute fortune and people will fight over their chance to buy them as if tossing a loaf of bread into a crowd of starving people.
It's a fancy shroud, and bragging rights that you have EVGA's WTFOMGBBQ3DXXX edition card.
No, the more expensive cards often have bigger cooling blocks, more fans, better VRMs and/or higher power limits. Also, they are often tuned and designed a bit better.
Now, much of this is not that important if you don't overclock your cards and I think that many people overspend, as they pay too much for features that they to a large extent don't use. Still, these features all add value and I'd certainly prefer one of these better cards for a small extra cost over a budget card, but the actual extra cost is a lot more than the extra value that I see.
Then again, I'm more interested in undervolting than overclocking, so I may not be typical.
However, I've already seen an undervolt and underclock guide on an 'enthusiast' website and I expect the next gen to make even more people interested in this.
It's kinda funny, but on the eVGA cards I have, I like the OC BIOS because the fan profiles are more aggressive. The card runs a bit cooler and faster, and the noise is still very minimal.
You can set a custom fan profile with MSI afterburner. No need to choose an OC BIOS.
The other guy clearly has an Nvidia card, since it is EVGA.
I mean true, just in general, that is not always an option. MSI will support every NV card out there with Afterburner.