Huh? Everybody forgot the 337.50 driver earlier this year?
This is actually what I am talking about. They are claiming up to 19% increase in performance. But compared to what? Launch drivers. I'm sorry but I believe this to be even worse marketing than what nvidia did.
Wasn't that the driver where they just raised the boost limit on their cards?
Well there are games that gain 10% and even more. Of course it is completely dependent on the game. Such will probably be the case with the AMD Omega driver. This is all I'm saying. Not sure why I am being put in a corner right now. I just don't think anybody should get too excited.
Besides nobody really answered my first question to begin with: how do you interpret/feel about that marketing slide?
But I get: I said something unpopular and I leave it at that. I really don't want to escalate this discussion and derail the topic any further. I noticed the shenanigans on the marketing slide, called it out and every body so far has actually failed to respond to that and is instead trying to paint me like I am some nvidia fanboy.
Is compared to 13.12 driver(December 2013), launch driver is 11.12(December 2011).
At least they had some improvement. For all we know the wording of the AMD marketing slide can be interpreted in a way that Omega drives will net 0 performance gain, since the slide takes all other driver updates since the launch into account.
But I get: I said something unpopular and I leave it at that. I really don't want to escalate this discussion and derail the topic any further. I noticed the shenanigans on the marketing slide, called it out and every body so far has actually failed to respond to that and is instead trying to paint me like I am some nvidia fanboy.
Yeah I got it: the nvidia driver was not the next best thing since sliced bread. Nonetheless it did boost performance on a number of titles. Was the marketing bad? Yeah! But so is this one from AMD. Personally I think it is even worse, because with the nvidia driver I actually did see increased performance. Perhaps not to the levels nvidia advertised, but still. All I can gather from the AMD slides is that since the launch like over a year ago they managed to get 19% more performance out of their cards in Bioshock Infinite. It has actually no relevance to the Omega driver when you really think about it.
Its sad really... You can't bring facts up, they will accuse you of AMD bashing and label you an Nvidia fanboy.
The fact that they are comparing performance increase vs launch drivers should be concerning to anyone who is expecting a big performance jump when upgrading from 14.11.xx. Don't get your hopes up.
Is compared to 13.12 driver(December 2013), launch driver is 11.12(December 2011).
The fact that they are comparing performance increase vs launch drivers should be concerning to anyone who is expecting a big performance jump when upgrading from 14.11.xx. Don't get your hopes up.
The 290X released in 2011?
But GCN was released in 2011, so many optimizations in the GCN DX11 drivers past 2013 applies to 290x too. Also, the slide says the performance uplift is for AMD Radeon Graphic cards, it don't specifies if is only for GCN1.1 and GCN1.2 or if GCN1.0 will receive this benefits too.
But GCN was released in 2011, so many optimizations in the GCN DX11 drivers past 2013 applies to 290x too. Also, the slide says the performance uplift is for AMD Radeon Graphic cards, it don't specifies if is only for GCN1.1 and GCN1.2 or if GCN1.0 will receive this benefits too.
The chart refers to the 290X, which apparently had launch drivers named 13.12. That shows a 19% increase in Bioshock Infinite, which is probably where the "up to 19%*" comes from.
If you want to believe it could be higher for previous GCN architectures, be my guest.
Its sad really... You can't bring facts up, they will accuse you of AMD bashing and label you an Nvidia fanboy.
The fact that they are comparing performance increase vs launch drivers should be concerning to anyone who is expecting a big performance jump when upgrading from 14.11.xx. Don't get your hopes up.
The 290X released in 2011?
But I get: I said something unpopular and I leave it at that. I really don't want to escalate this discussion and derail the topic any further. I noticed the shenanigans on the marketing slide, called it out and every body so far has actually failed to respond to that and is instead trying to paint me like I am some nvidia fanboy.
Videocardz: http://videocardz.com/54128/amd-announces-catalyst-omega-drivers-with-virtual-super-resolution
This is the requested portrait-landscape-portrait?Rotated Eyefinity Support for AMD Radeon R9 285
- Enables a mix of portrait and landscape oriented displays
I really don't understand the complaints or misunderstanding regarding the 19% claim. It's right there in plain English on the slide and graph provided. Bioshock infinite shows a 19% improvement moving from the launch drivers to the omega drivers.
The real question should be, what is the improvement of the omega drivers over the latest drivers.
Yup. It's clear as day easy to understand.
It's not remotely misleading so I don't understand why he's trying to complain about it. We'll find out the improvement of Omega vs Latest drivers when Omega comes out.
God...I'm not trying to complain at all...getting things out of context. They have a big 19% number written in their marketing slide about the Omega driver, while the actual performance increase (the dark red color) seems to be much smaller. You really don't think that this is not some marketing shenanigans? Fine. I still believe that when you make a marketing slide about the performance increase of a new driver you should be talking about the performance gain you saw since a given product was real eased.
Of course we have to wait and see. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't get to excited. Performance increase might be minimal after all.
Jeez must have hit a wasp nest or something.
You seem to be the only person expecting a big performance increase or thinking the slide is misleading.
The rest of us are capable of reading "Since 13.12."
The fact that the 285 is getting PLP support first/exclusively does not mean that your 290Xs 'will not' also get it eventually. Chillax.
I give up...I guess a big lettered 19% is obvious to everybody. Everyone glimpsing at the marketing slide will directly know that 19% does not mean those come from the Omega driver.
That was my first thought too. For a second I couldn't believe omega drivers were still around.oh, I used omega drivers back in 2003 with my 9500, good to know they are back :thumbsup: (joking)
I see what you're trying to say, you're suggesting that these performance gains could have been gained from drivers after launch that are already available, or at least that most of the 19% gain has already been made on drivers that have been released. However, true as that statement may be, it is a pretty pointless one as users will actually see this performance gain over the launch drivers. Those are the facts and AMD has every right to show the delta between the two as an example. It's clear as day to see and not falsely claiming gains like the marketing for the Nvidia beta driver did.
So in summary you are not happy with AMD's presentation of figures, yet you have no qualms with Nvidia's completely false marketing, even showing an apologetic attitude to them. This has resulted in outing you as biased, whether you realise this or not.
Oh no worries. I'm happy as well! I just recently switched to two R9 290X watercooled. Couldn't resist with these prices, upcoming Freesync (I'm up for a 4K display) and Civilization Beyond Earth using Mantle. It's just that people might be thinking this is new omega driver is similar to the nVidia driver that actually increased performance a lot, while the wording of the chart actually suggest they are looking at a 19% increase from all driver since the launch of the cards together.
Marketing:
Reality:
The use of worlds like "up to" generally indicates "best one case" like SLI performance was just a profile for Rome 2 that din't have a SLI profile prior this driver.
This is actually what I am talking about. They are claiming up to 19% increase in performance. But compared to what? Launch drivers. I'm sorry but I believe this to be even worse marketing than what nvidia did.