The other option is that he thinks that one stance makes a certain company look better than it otherwise would. He's more interested in the color on the box than the performance of the product.
It wasnt me who complained that mainstream/performance chips didnt have more than 4 cores.
You can still buy more than 4 cores in the enthutiast/workstation segment from Intel.
The people that need more cores than 4 consist of a very tiny group. But there still is a solution for them.
So either you just argue to argue. Or because you want it all, but not pay for it.
The other option is that he thinks that one stance makes a certain company look better than it otherwise would. He's more interested in the color on the box than the performance of the product.
It most certainly isn't for me.
And i thought that people on Technology forums would be more open minded.
Why it always have to be Red vs Blue or Green for you guys ???
Is this technology, resonant clock mesh, integrated into the Trinity CPUs?
Back to the gist of this thread, I remember reading that resonant clock mesh was one of the things that would really help distinguish The PileDriver from Bulldozer. I read the whitepaper about it and though I was confused by most of it, very technical, I came away thinking AMD was on to something. One of the big criticisms of the Bulldozer was the spike in power usuage as you OC'd. Apparently, AMD engineers hope to address this with this technology.
Is this technology, resonant clock mesh, integrated into the Trinity CPUs?
What's there really to investigate?
It isn't, but your claim is... well, rather far-fetched.
Who in the hell needs more than 8 cores? Hell, who needs more than 4?
Intel could develop a 6 core IB at the ~same die size of current IB + iGPU. We could have a $300 6 core CPU without the iGPU. Why i have to spend more for things that are possible to have with less ??
AtenRa your posts are a little over the top to be honest. I can accept the fact that you're an AMD enthusiast, but you need to accept the fact that their CPUs are vastly inferior right now. Bulldozer's 8 cores have less overall throughput than Intel's 4 cores and that is both an embarrassment for AMD and an enormous advantage for Intel.
If you live in Iceland and want to heat your home and have a gaming system, Bulldozer might be ok. I'm serious when I say that as well. Bulldozer would make a great space heater. Bulldozer with Crossfired 7970s could probably heat at least half of a small home if you leave it under full load all the time.
Yes but you could be earning Bitcoins with the Bulldozer rig, making the net cost zero. :biggrin:If you heat your home with resistive heating, you're doing it wrong. There is a reason we all use heat pumps now.
Because most people make more use of the IGP than they would the added 2 cores.
Don't mistake the word "enthusiast" with "one who wants more useless computing power." I'm a hardware enthusiast and hardware interests me. I don't care if it's a CPU with a billion cores or a dual core chip with an awesome on-die GPU, I find them both interesting.
The issue here isn't "enthusiasts" or anything of the sort but you're misunderstanding of what the word actually means. Just because I don't believe the same way you do doesn't make me less of an "enthusiast." I applaud practicality and sense above all else and you can push the envelope without creating a useless product.
Furthermore, I looooooove APUs. Why the hell would I buy a discrete GPU if the APU could give me the same amount of performance? Less heat, lower cost, lower power consumption + more integration is awesome. I also can't wait for the day to get rid of my desktop. Am I not an enthusiast? In fact, I'd say I'm more of an enthusiast than almost everyone with a discrete GPU who despises tablets/laptops. Funny how that works, isn't it?
I have put both enthusiasts, power users and overclockers in the same place. I have never said that enthusiasts buy the fastest or the more expensive hardware.
AtenRa you're saying AMD is advancing progress when really they're just releasing HyperThreading 5+ years after Intel invented it.
Bulldozer has 4 cores. Only their marketing people say it has 8.
Saying that AMD has somehow advanced progress with Bulldozer is a joke, as is your nonsense callout.Oh boy a pointless troll post. Yay.
Then quit assuming they'll only buy discrete GPUs and moar coars because that too goes along with it.
It's senseless. It's illogical. The both of them, actually. Just because I'm a hardware enthusiast doesn't mean I'll overspend on my hardware. That's called stupidity. I'm still using a 5870 and a 955 at 3.2ghz. Stock clocks with aftermarket cooling? What kind of enthusiast am I? The kind that realizes that paying for an "upgrade" wouldn't give me an appreciable upgrade. But if you'd tell me that I can buy an APU in 2-3 years time that can provide the power of that 5870 and consumes less power, puts out less heat, offers GPGPU and comes at a cheap cost/small size then you can keep the race for moar coars and clockspeed/IPC. Considering that I can buy a 3960x and a $400 2011 motherboard and see absolutely no difference in my usage I highly doubt that I'd want moar coars in the future.
Hardware enthusiasts above else understand the hardware and understand how to put together a rig. Buying a CPU with moar coars so they can idle is the epitome of an idiotic enthusiast who has no idea what they're doing. Please don't confuse me with such a person. The biggest upgrade I've had in the past 5 years has been an SSD and by an absolutely massive margin.
Neither. I'd save my money because that's a smart enthusiast would do. Most consumers would opt with the IGP quadcore. What you or I "want" doesn't matter. What matters is the bottom line.
Unfortunately (thankfully, really) we don't live in that hypothetical world. The majority of the market dictates the direction and for a few years it's been light, power sipping and mobile. Get used to it or get used to doing a whole lot of whining.