Rumor has it that 3dfx has a new trick up their sleeve, and it has something to do with this:

[Hardware]

<< So shoot it out or shut up. >>


Didnt you feel like a arrogant teacher?

 

[DaveB3D]

I'm not a teacher.. I'm just sick of your BS. You obviously don't have the slightest clue what you are saying, other than to rehash what over people have said. So in other words, you don't know jack. You just BS your way through coversations and try and look smart while really just making a total ass of yourself. It is pretty easy to tell that everyone here is sick of it, so why don't you scram.

 

[madthumbs]

Dave,
You reflect poorly on the company you are trying to elevate. If you had a clear cut argument and stated it, there would be no need to resort to insults, and telling Hardware to shut up. These are actions taken by losers of arguments, not people who made a point.

Currently the V5 is far inferior to the Geforce 2 GTS which is cheaper in general. That's been shown in benchmarks all over the place. Picture quality comes down to preference, where neither dominates and this is shown through surveys/ and professional reviews.

But we all miss the point of the thread. There is a proven performance gain, in some cases 30fps with the HSR part of the drivers. It currently works flawlessly for me in Soldier of Fortune.

Make this a .bat file in your SoF folder;

@ECHO OFF
SET FX_GL_HSR=1
SET FX_GL_ZCULL_ENABLE=1
SET FX_GL_ZCULL_FAR=32767
SET FX_GL_ZCULL_NEAR=4
sof.exe

If you don't trust me, get this from your freind sharkfood who was using it on Quake 3a.

In the mean time, if you don't have anything to add to the thread, take your own advice. This thread turned stupid.

 

[DaveB3D]

I don't reflect on my company at all because I don't represent them. I just work there. If I worked at 7/11 for example, and I post here. Do I represent them suddenly? Nope. Same with my current employeer.

I insult Hardware because 1) he asks for it and 2) I'm trying to get him to get a clue.

As for the V5 compared to the GTS, I think we've seen in other threads that the V5 is no right up with the GTS in terms of performance, so it is far from being &quot;far inferior&quot;.

 

[Wingznut]

Just as when I post my thoughts here, in no way am I representing Jeep.

(Wow, my first 200+ post thread. )

 

[Wingznut]

&quot;Currently the V5 is far inferior to the Geforce 2 GTS &quot;

A couple of fps is &quot;far inferior&quot;? Is that all we care about... a couple fps? Whatever happened to compatibility, stability, image quality, and other features such as FSAA?

 

[Soccerman]

madthumbs,

I think the improvements you are seeing are not because of HSR. they're other things, that DaveB3D cannot talke about. all we know about is that 3dfx pulled alot of extra FPS out of nowhere. the next driver release will probably increase the speed even more (I'm guessing this last release had some Gigapixel technology in it, which is the major reason why 3dfx would be VERY tight lipped about it, so as not to reveal it to nVidia, or ATi.

&quot;Dave: There is no need to prove me If you want read something about infinite planes ask some other!&quot;

answer the question.. what the hell do u mean by infinite planes? better english could help us clear up misconceptions. the reason people think you are 15 years old (or younger) is cause your sentences are very disjointed and run on.

 

[DaveB3D]

infinate planes is actually how PowerVR works. They convert the world into infinate planes. Just a different mathematical representation of the world.

 

[Soccerman]

ahh so this means that hardware DOES know something..

I still don't quite understand what it means, but I won't trouble u..

 

[DaveB3D]

I dunno about that.. it is a pretty common term that you can find at powervr.com

 

[BigToque]

<< Currently the V5 is far inferior to the Geforce 2 GTS which is cheaper in general >>



V5 comes very close to the GTS in performance, and as for the cost, your wrong again:

GeForce2 GTS OEM - $155 (this is OEM, cheapest Retail is $219 CLA2)

V5 5500 Retail - $173

 

[Napalm]

Doesn't anyone around here ever get tired of this NVidia vs. 3Dfx argument?? I must say that it is refreshing not to have a product from either of those two PR-factories in my machine and to observe this comical exchange without any bias one way or the other. Flame on kiddies...

Napalm

 

[superbaby]

I can't believe I just read that thread, but 210 replies piqued my interest, but now I want to die.

Is there an ignore option or something in this forum? I think I got a couple people to add on...

 

[madthumbs]

Everyone that posts bullyish language to support their position reflects poorly on thier opinion. If you want to see how bad 3dfx is, go to their message board and view all the mindless bull that is spewed back and forth there. It reflects on the intelligence of the people that would buy thier product. There aren't many there that can think for themselves. They're arguments are full of mindless insults, and demands, until someone shows up and feeds them a load of PR to clamor to. Dave is one of the few supporters of 3dfx that venture off into a neutral territory, and he brings all that garbage with him in this thread.

Does telling someone to shut up on a message board work better than not responding? Most people despise in others what is characterized in themselves. In this case, it may be the ability to hold ones tongue.

Only reason I care is that this thread could have been good if....

 

[bertroid]

I'd like to make a small observation. After having scanned through this thread it has occurred to me that Hardware has succeeded (and continues to succeed) in pushing the buttons of many people who seem to loath him. Many people, who say they have no respect for him, are expending great energy to convince him to change his mind or admit he's wrong. Ask yourselves this: Who is really being out smarted by whom?

I'm sticking my nose in this because I'm frustrated how difficult it is becoming to get useful information on any board. I have to wade through flame after flame to get anything. My rule of thumb has become: if a thread is greater than 30 or 40 posts it has probably already degenerated into a flame war.

 

[DaveB3D]

Yeah, I try not to reply to Hardware and I'm done from here on it I think.

That said, I wouldn't say that is true about flames on large threads. We've had some huge threads at Beyond 3D that have had no flaming at all. There is actually little to no flaming there typically.

 

[bertroid]

I concur. beyond3d seems to be be atypical in that regard. 3dfxgamers isn't, however.

 

[Pete]

OMG, people, leave the emotionally retarded badger alone! Stop poking it!

Please, stop responding to Hardware. If you know you're right, show us how big a person you are and stop trying to educate someone who doesn't care. You all know what a troll does. A troll needs an audience to function. If you remove that audience, you remove the troll. SO STOP IT! I know that every statement that comes out of his mouth is wrong, even though the words may be correct, as do most of you--so just stop feeding his annoying habit.

Mods, why on earth aren't you removing Hardware? He's just here to cause trouble, he doesn't respect anyone else's opinions, and he's probably wasting some of the bandwidth that you must pay quite a bit for each month. Obviously not that much, but hey, it was worth a shot.

As for the V5 5500 AGP, it was sold out at a Best Buy and a CompUSA this weekend--guess this new price is helping.

 

[madthumbs]

I'm proud to be banned from 3dfxgamers

 

[BigToque]

madthumbs,

That's nice. Why bestow your incredible amounts of knowledge and wit on us lowly peons?

 

[Soccerman]

hey I wasn't flaming (ok I consider what I've said pretty tame).

I seem to assume things waaayyy too often.. I gotta get out of this rut.

 

[Hardware]

<< I'm not a teacher.. I'm just sick of your BS. You obviously don't have the slightest clue what you are saying, other than to rehash what over people have said. So in other words, you don't know jack. You just BS your way through coversations and try and look smart while really just making a total ass of yourself. It is pretty easy to tell that everyone here is sick of it, so why don't you scram. >>



Indeed Dave you are giving a very poor picture of a 3dfx employee (because of your rude language)!


madthumbs :

<< I'm proud to be banned from 3dfxgamers >>


well its 4am here but this get me a good laugh!


Is it true the HSR is already working with the V5500 (and getting a performance boost)?

 

[Soccerman]

actually if you read my above post, you would probably see that HSR isn't enabled in current 3dfx drivers, however it's likely that a fair amount of tricks from Gigapixel were implimented into these drivers, however HSR probably isn't one of them (DaveB3D MIGHT be able to confirm or deny it).

they are basically translating alot of things that Gigapixel chips did in hardware (from what I understand, again, I'm assuming stuff here) into driver form. however it's probably impossible to get everything into the drivers, so you won't see performance like a Kyro (if the clock speed and memory speed was the same)..

all I can say is, 3dfx aquisition of Gigapixel was a smart move. it brought their R&amp;D developement team above what nVidia is (from what we can tell) at.

 

[Hardware]

GP was a long time inventment!
As I know GP is not in Rampage
We still do not know if GP is working on a real silicon
On paper its looking good but bitboys is look good too with their vapor chips!
As I know GP never had any working stuff only just paper ( is this true?)

 

[DaveB3D]

GP-1 was in hardware. I saw it last year at Comdex. It is first generation though, but that beat out V5 and the GTS with FSAA enabled in Q3. That is old stuff though.