*RUMOR* New Xbox will be '5 times more powerful' than PS4 Neo

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IndyColtsFan

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I don't expect these updates to have better graphics for someone with a 1080p TV. Maybe just better performance. The games will work on both systems and may only look better on a 4k TV because of the scaling. If anything they may look a bit better but not drastic.

Yeah I went ahead and bought the bundle. Even 500 GB refurbs are around $200, so this was a great deal.
 
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Those bundles are attractive, but the current XBox is second fiddle now. By the time the PS4Q and the new Xbone get here it will be fourth (or fifth if you have any faith left in Nintendo). Personally I wouldn't touch one of these (or the current PS4) anymore. They're going to get the lowest dev priority because 1) the best versions will be the ones reviewed 2) the customers with the new systems will have the highest demands 3) as soon as older compatibility starts impeding progression on the new consoles the requirement for it will be dropped. Might as well approach these releases like a new gen unless the hardware turns out to be wildly underwhelming, but then wtf would have been the point? And the games, they won't be any cheaper based on which version of the console you have either, so there goes the only advantage of being a gen behind.
 

sze5003

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Those bundles are attractive, but the current XBox is second fiddle now. By the time the PS4Q and the new Xbone get here it will be fourth (or fifth if you have any faith left in Nintendo). Personally I wouldn't touch one of these (or the current PS4) anymore. They're going to get the lowest dev priority because 1) the best versions will be the ones reviewed 2) the customers with the new systems will have the highest demands 3) as soon as older compatibility starts impeding progression on the new consoles the requirement for it will be dropped. Might as well approach these releases like a new gen unless the hardware turns out to be wildly underwhelming, but then wtf would have been the point? And the games, they won't be any cheaper based on which version of the console you have either, so there goes the only advantage of being a gen behind.
The requirement is that the games coming out whether they are for ps4.5 or not is that they must get 30fps or above on the ps4 and function exactly the same so it won't be forgotten about as a second or third hand system. Whatever games come out will most likely look the same on 1080p on both systems. Of course it will look better on the 4k in terms of scaling.

The 4k aspect is for streaming and mostly their VR sets.
 
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cmdrdredd

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I don't expect these updates to have better graphics for someone with a 1080p TV. Maybe just better performance. The games will work on both systems and may only look better on a 4k TV because of the scaling. If anything they may look a bit better but not drastic.



I still believe most of the 4K stuff is coming from revised HDMI ports and software to play back UHD content because we know true 4K gaming requires more power than they could probably fit into these boxes.
 

cmdrdredd

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Those bundles are attractive, but the current XBox is second fiddle now. By the time the PS4Q and the new Xbone get here it will be fourth (or fifth if you have any faith left in Nintendo). Personally I wouldn't touch one of these (or the current PS4) anymore. They're going to get the lowest dev priority because 1) the best versions will be the ones reviewed 2) the customers with the new systems will have the highest demands 3) as soon as older compatibility starts impeding progression on the new consoles the requirement for it will be dropped. Might as well approach these releases like a new gen unless the hardware turns out to be wildly underwhelming, but then wtf would have been the point? And the games, they won't be any cheaper based on which version of the console you have either, so there goes the only advantage of being a gen behind.



I thought so too but the rumors all point to pretty much no game being significantly different between the two versions of the console and with more market for the current one, most developers won't bother with any extra work for the new one for a while.
 
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I thought so too but the rumors all point to pretty much no game being significantly different between the two versions of the console and with more market for the current one, most developers won't bother with any extra work for the new one for a while.

What's the point of this then? Is this the source of those rumors?

 

sze5003

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I thought so too but the rumors all point to pretty much no game being significantly different between the two versions of the console and with more market for the current one, most developers won't bother with any extra work for the new one for a while.
Yea there hasn't been much out for the current systems besides a few reboots and some exclusives. We see what uncharted can look like on ps4 but that's not it's full potential. They are just approaching this like a cash grab to start. Sure I'll get the new systems if I can trade my old ones in for something.

But before I do that in upgrading my PC first.
 

Lil Frier

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there is not a chance in hell there will be 4k gaming on either the ps4.5 or the xbox1.5. the technology simply is no there.

also worrying about the future is pointless. if you do that you will never purchase anything since there is always something better around the corner. if you want to play the games now, buy it. if not, don't buy it.

and consoles are not "investments", they are toys that depreciate as soon as you open it.

Normally, I agree. However, with only 2 weeks to go before a possible announcement of better consoles, I think considering the future is a smart move. Were this a year ago, before we had any real idea that new consoles would come so quickly, I would say that buying the console would be a smart move.

Pair that with the dearth of summer titles, and I think waiting just a couple of weeks to open the thing (or a few months to buy something different) is the best option.
 

cmdrdredd

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What's the point of this then? Is this the source of those rumors?






The point of the new console(s) as far as I have read seems to be UHD(4K) video options like UHD blu-Ray and streaming HDR movies and in the case of the ps4, a stronger CPU and gpu to support the VR stuff a little better.

Since I already have a UHD blu-Ray player I don't have much use for a console to do it unless they support Dolby vision but I have seen no indication of that.
 

Lil Frier

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An early-2017 reveal would make sense for that console. They've already lined up their other hardware for a show in the spring of next year with their second major W10 update, from what I've read repeatedly. They could throw a new console in with it and put out a Band 3, Surface Pro 5, Surface Book 2, Surface Phone, and an Xbox 10 (2 in binary, 10 to match Windows 10). Coming out with "Sony has a console this year, but we vaguely have planned one for next year!" doesn't seem like it would stop the hardware sales gap from growing. Instead, you probably do nothing to Sony and slow XB1 sales in the process.

However, the article seems to stop what was being flippantly thrown about at the start, a hardware comparison between a console 6 months off and another 18 months off. At least this report's got the consoles' comparison primarily being based within their own brand camps. 6 TFlops seems like a reasonable expectation, ESPECIALLY if Microsoft is willing to go back to the "eat money on hardware, regain it on software and services," mentality that got us relatively powerful Xboxes for 2 generations.
 

cmdrdredd

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Buying a new Xbox every couple years seems like a good deal



As I have said before I need the games. Most of the better games this time are on PC too and I will always prioritize that for the better visuals and frame rate over console versions. Except in cases of extremely poor performance and bad code on the PC side. There have just been too few must have exclusives for consoles for me this go round. I don't regret buying them initially because I did use them quite heavily for certain titles. I just don't feel any excitement for marginally more powerful hardware and spending more money on them if the games are going to be the same old same old. Another forza, more sports, another assassins creed, another battlefield, another cod, another gears of war, another halo etc. as much as I like the halo universe and enjoyed some of the previous gears of war titles I wish there was more new IP and so far there hasn't been many that were high quality.

The ps4 is not immune from this either. They too (Sony) have not offered many new IPs of a high quality.
 

sze5003

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It will be a while before any new games that will take advantage of the new hardware come out.

Since all games will work on new vs old, I don't see the big selling point unless you have a 4k TV. Most people don't yet. What's the point of the smaller Xbox one too when 2 years later they plan on releasing one 4x as powerful as the current.

It all is starting to look like a cash grab at this point. Unless there are some nice exclusives I would rather spend my money on my PC. It's been 4+ years since I've built it and it can still plow through most games at highest settings.
 

purbeast0

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i agree this gen has been completely lackluster as a whole. if i wasn't into fighting games i'd be really bored (kind of am right now even with fighters i enjoy). we need more games like The Order where it's just a completely new IP with just great gameplay/visuals/sound/story. i too am tired of all this rehashed shit. i love me some specific series, but i'm also ready for new stuff.

like forza horizon 2 owned, but i'm pretty sure part 3 coming out this year is going to be exactly more of the same. 2 was cool cause it was the first one on the x1, but 3 is probably gonna be just more of the same. not that it's bad, but it's just a formula i've already played a bunch.

instead of that though, the companies keep putting out HD remakes. can't say that i blame them though since people are buying them up. it's just as much consumers faults as the developers. if there wasn't a market, they wouldn't waste time on them. ill never support one though.
 

cmdrdredd

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It will be a while before any new games that will take advantage of the new hardware come out.

Since all games will work on new vs old, I don't see the big selling point unless you have a 4k TV. Most people don't yet. What's the point of the smaller Xbox one too when 2 years later they plan on releasing one 4x as powerful as the current.

It all is starting to look like a cash grab at this point. Unless there are some nice exclusives I would rather spend my money on my PC. It's been 4+ years since I've built it and it can still plow through most games at highest settings.

I have a 4k HDR TV and I don't even get 4k gaming from my PC because new titles use too much memory or need more horsepower that I don't have on tap. I am not willing to run medium visual settings though, I'll take 60fps 1080p at ultra vs 4k at medium. I expect games that run 4k on the new console revisions will not be taking full advantage of the visual effects. You won't see a title on par with The Witcher or Uncharted 4 running in 4k for example.
 

Sonikku

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It will be a while before any new games that will take advantage of the new hardware come out.

Since all games will work on new vs old, I don't see the big selling point unless you have a 4k TV. Most people don't yet. What's the point of the smaller Xbox one too when 2 years later they plan on releasing one 4x as powerful as the current.

It all is starting to look like a cash grab at this point. Unless there are some nice exclusives I would rather spend my money on my PC. It's been 4+ years since I've built it and it can still plow through most games at highest settings.

I suppose there's always the chance that some developers will release a "1.5" patch that ups the framerate from 30fps to 60 with the new system. Battlefront in 1080p, etc.
 

sze5003

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I suppose there's always the chance that some developers will release a "1.5" patch that ups the framerate from 30fps to 60 with the new system. Battlefront in 1080p, etc.
Yea most likely the games will be made to support 30 or above on the new system and a minimum of 30 or 60 on the ps4. But yea a patch is most likely how they will do it probably day one for those that have the 4.5.
 

Lil Frier

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I guess I'm just weird. People keep talking down about this generation, and I'm pretty pleased with it, so far. Sunset Overdrive was a blast. Mordor was mindless hacking and killing, and I liked it. Dying Light is one of my favorite games I've played in a long time. Quantum Break was quite unique, and I enjoyed it. The Division (though hurt by my lack of a social life) was pretty good. I even though Watch Dogs was an OK game. Maybe I'm overly jaded because of how bad the last generation ended. For the last few years, it seemed like all I had on Xbox 360 to play was CoD and Halo.

I am also hoping that we get a FH3, and that it tries to distinguish itself more from the Motorsport side. I want a REAL arcade experience. Give us something NFS-like. Most Wanted's open world was fun. Forza Horizon 2 was more bland than I'd have liked, and the music was abysmal. Just getting background music this summer should make a game like Forza more enjoyable.
 

cmdrdredd

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I guess I'm just weird. People keep talking down about this generation, and I'm pretty pleased with it, so far. Sunset Overdrive was a blast. Mordor was mindless hacking and killing, and I liked it. Dying Light is one of my favorite games I've played in a long time. Quantum Break was quite unique, and I enjoyed it. The Division (though hurt by my lack of a social life) was pretty good. I even though Watch Dogs was an OK game. Maybe I'm overly jaded because of how bad the last generation ended. For the last few years, it seemed like all I had on Xbox 360 to play was CoD and Halo.

I am also hoping that we get a FH3, and that it tries to distinguish itself more from the Motorsport side. I want a REAL arcade experience. Give us something NFS-like. Most Wanted's open world was fun. Forza Horizon 2 was more bland than I'd have liked, and the music was abysmal. Just getting background music this summer should make a game like Forza more enjoyable.

I guess maybe it's because I play a lot of games on my PC but all of the titles you mentioned except Sunset Overdrive I played or would play on PC so I don't count them as a score for consoles. For me there needs to be games I can't get on PC. There have been a few, but IMO not enough for 3 years in.
 
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sze5003

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The only reason I have both consoles is for exclusives. When you look at it like that yea there haven't been many to note worth owning both systems except for games like uncharted, last of us, the order, etc. I also like quantum break and Forza horizon 2 and some halo here and there.

I guess what we want on consoles to justify purchasing a new one every year or two is unique exclusives and there has not been too many of those. I still have to play sunset overdrive, I opened it and never got around to it.

I'll most likely get the upgraded versions of both systems when or if I get a 4k TV but my PC will come first now when it comes to spending any more money..and of course first before that is any bills, life stuff that gets in the way.
 

Lil Frier

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Well, like I said, just depends on what you actually want. Like, Sunset Overdrive was pretty crazy and different, compared to most TPS-like games. Dead Rising 3 and Ryse were solid games that started as exclusives, though not the most unique experiences. Screamridehit the mark for unique, though the quality/entertainment was lacking. I'd say the same for Dark Dreams Don't Die. Then you have Quantum Break, which seemed to execute better than Defiance, because it did all of its content creation at once. I can't speak too heavily to the PS4 side, but at least The Last Guardian might FINALLY happen.

I suppose the question of "unique" is also pretty personal. I recognize that Mordor plays a lot like Arkham, but as someone who finds Batman to suck, I hadn't experienced that kind of game, so Mordor was new to me. I'd also say that it's hard to be unique after 30+ years of development, when the ways we play are still pretty similar to the controllers of the past. Maybe VR (and AR, if HoloLens is ever widely available and affordable) can change it up, but I don't necessarily think it's all about a lack of developer creativity. I'm also of the mindset that if something is derivative, but derived from something I enjoy, it can still be a fine game. That's how I feel with DOOM as one example.
 
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