*RUMOR* New Xbox will be '5 times more powerful' than PS4 Neo

[JujuFish]

This will be the first generation that there was absolutely no new Zelda to play on it.

Er...Breath of the Wild?

 

[Sonikku]

There are already games in development so it's probably too late for them to change the specs. Yet again they will be behind in power and not get games ported today their console.

I don't mind them being behind. I mind them being a full generation behind when the competition costs the same or comparable. Wii U? $300 with 1 game. Xbone? $279 with 5 games and/or gift card or free extra controller. Nintendo isn't even trying.

 

[sze5003]

I don't mind them being behind. I mind them being a full generation behind when the competition costs the same or comparable. Wii U? $300 with 1 game. Xbone? $279 with 5 games and/or gift card or free extra controller. Nintendo isn't even trying.

Come to think of it I don't ever remember seeing Nintendo have deals like this ever. I know one time I bought a Wii off Craigslist with a bunch of games. I don't know where it is now.

 

[sweenish]

"4K" isn't just some chip you add.

Where did I ever say it was? Maybe argue what I said, and not what you make up.

HDCP 2.2 is hardware that needed to be added, though.

 

[CZroe]

Where did I ever say it was? Maybe argue what I said, and not what you make up.

HDCP 2.2 is hardware that needed to be added, though.

Sensitive little flower, aren't we? In case you didn't notice, I DID respond what you said and linked to one of many places "where" it was stated. You asked. I answered. Now you're defensive without even acknowledging the answer. Cute.

Saying that "'4K' isn't just some chip you add." is saying "of course it's clocked higher too." Duh. Pointing out that HDCP2.2 hardware is needed for 4K UHD BD and what-not only furthers my point: It needs MORE than "just" that hardware for the functionality they want to add: It needs a performance boost too.

I thought it was pretty clear.

 

[CZroe]

Come to think of it I don't ever remember seeing Nintendo have deals like this ever. I know one time I bought a Wii off Craigslist with a bunch of games. I don't know where it is now.

Black Friday deals have been pretty good in the past.

Remember this?

We ended up breaking that news across the Internet and I ended up with a game before it was even supposed to be released.

 

[sze5003]

Black Friday deals have been pretty good in the past.

Remember this?

We ended up breaking that news across the Internet and I ended up with a game before it was even supposed to be released.

Yea I actually ended up getting an Xbox one like that with 2 games and a year of live after trading in my ps3 shortly after.

 

[Fulle]

Sensitive little flower, aren't we? In case you didn't notice, I DID respond what you said and linked to one of many places "where" it was stated. You asked. I answered. Now you're defensive without even acknowledging the answer. Cute.

Saying that "'4K' isn't just some chip you add." is saying "of course it's clocked higher too." Duh. Pointing out that HDCP2.2 hardware is needed for 4K UHD BD and what-not only furthers my point: It needs MORE than "just" that hardware for the functionality they want to add: It needs a performance boost too.

I thought it was pretty clear.

You're really going out of your way to nitpick sweenish here. Microsoft is actually on record saying that the Xbox One S will NOT have more performance than the vanilla Xbox One. A little more CPU/GPU resources were made available for HDR, and there were some minor hardware adjustments made for HD content, but the amount of CPU and GPU resources available to games, is supposed to be unchanged.

 

[CZroe]

You're really going out of your way to nitpick sweenish here. Microsoft is actually on record saying that the Xbox One S will NOT have more performance than the vanilla Xbox One. A little more CPU/GPU resources were made available for HDR, and there were some minor hardware adjustments made for HD content, but the amount of CPU and GPU resources available to games, is supposed to be unchanged.

As explained by others, older games with dynamic frame rates will benefit. Of course, future ones will too. What Microsoft is saying is that they can't use it as a performance target during development so all games will be well supported on the old hardware.

 

[CZroe]

Yea I actually ended up getting an Xbox one like that with 2 games and a year of live after trading in my ps3 shortly after.

To put it in perspective, the PlayStation 2 and XBOX were still $180 while the GameCube was $79 with bonus games. It went back up to $100, but most of the deals we are comparing here are temporary promos. I believe the XBOX was still doing the regular two-game bundle with no Black Friday special but the PlayStation 2 had no equivalent bundle or Black Friday sale. Some retailers may have thrown in a controller or a memory card or forced a large bundle for a small discount, but nothing like the GC deal.

The GC went on to have some crazy-good bundles, like a Mario Kart Double Dash bundle with an extra controller, a Zelda Wind Waker bundle with Master Quest, free Zelda Collector's Edition, and more. When the Wii launched there were Mario Part X bundles (can't recall the latest number at the time) which came with the game and four controllers.

They're no stranger to good multi-game/accessory bundles and there have been some pretty good Wii U bundles, they just don't seem to last long and they are currently not offering anything particularly desirable.

 

[Fulle]

As explained by others, older games with dynamic frame rates will benefit. Of course, future ones will too. What Microsoft is saying is that they can't use it as a performance target during development so all games will be well supported on the old hardware.

I'm not so sure. Rod Fergusson, a developer on Gears of War, made some suggestions of improved performance in Gears of War on the Xbox One S, but I think he was embellishing a bit for the sake of promoting his game. Statements that came out from Microsoft afterwards have said that the Xbox One S has the same performance in games as the Xbox One, and can only benefit from improved color quality with HDR.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-one-ss-extra-power-does-not-improve-game-perf/1100-6440933/

Here's a quick copy paste from the above link:

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Microsoft has given GameSpot an official statement, saying the Xbox One S's extra GPU and CPU is not there to improve performance. Instead, it's so developers can make use of the slimmer system's HDR support.

"We have the same SOC architecture as Xbox One today," Microsot said. "For games that want to take advantage of HDR, we gave developers access to a small amount of additional processing power."

HDR stands for high dynamic range. HDR televisions have an expanded color and contrast range, which makes everything brighter and more vibrant. One of the first Xbox One games to support this technology is Gears of War 4, which releases on October 11.

Polygon previously talked to Gears of War 4 head Rod Fergusson, who said the Xbox One S would improve its games' frame rates and resolutions.

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Microsoft has made several other statements saying about as much as well. There's currently no evidence the Xbox One S will be able to run games with higher FPS or resolutions due to a more powerful CPU/GPU.

Although.... if the APU has a die shrink, and the cooling solution is good, there's a chance that thermals can improve, and performance can have a slight benefit from that on some edge cases, but the OG Xbox One's cooling solution was pretty good, so the opposite is just as likely.