He can never source it like his other assumption and claims.Still waiting Mahigan...
We'll find out soon enough, but if rumours are true only Radeon RX 480 8GB will make it to stores this month (unknown stocks), while others come later.
Of course we never get told whether they are having yield issues (maybe the F's Edition thing is totally about milking customers).Seeing how Nvidia is having yield issues, I doubt Nvidia will drop prices, beyond their MSRP. It's already a bigger chip.. And if you look at previous gen 390 and 380 cards they really didn't have much competition from Nvidia in terms of price.
Not being made at TSMC is very important. A pity it took AMD ten years from when the merged with ATI. Even if AMD's and subsequently Global Fondries' process was never ideal for GPUs, having to pay penalties under the WSA was crazy. You would have though that rather than paying those they could have design some part to use up the wafers. And since GPUs are really parallel and since 'slow-and-wide' or 'narrow-and-fast' are both possible for GPUs I cannot see why they didn't do this years ago.One thing that hasn't been talked about much is AMD's relationship with Global Foundries. This is the first time AMD is making GPUs with their long standing partner Global Foundries (owners of GloFo own a 10% stake in AMD) I would not be surprised if AMD has more favorable wafer supply terms than Nvidia has with TSMC.
Seeing how Nvidia is having yield issues, I doubt Nvidia will drop prices, beyond their MSRP. It's already a bigger chip.. And if you look at previous gen 390 and 380 cards they really didn't have much competition from Nvidia in terms of price.
One thing that hasn't been talked about much is AMD's relationship with Global Foundries. This is the first time AMD is making GPUs with their long standing partner Global Foundries (owners of GloFo own a 10% stake in AMD) I would not be surprised if AMD has more favorable wafer supply terms than Nvidia has with TSMC.
Every new GPU has launch issues due to demand and other stock inventory. It takes around 2 months time to sort it out. Same will happen to Polaris.I do not believe Nvidia has Yield issues. It is more due to availability slots in manufacturing supply. Remember that TSMC not only produces chips for Nvidia but many, many other companies.
GloFo pretty much produces at this moment only for AMD.
Every new GPU has launch issues due to demand and other stock inventory. It takes around 2 months time to sort it out. Same will happen to Polaris.
oo touchy.hit a nerve?*laughs*
If you cannot source your claim then it considered as BS do you know that?Not in the slightest.
With all due respect, I am recommending the Oxford books for you because they are great starting points for people struggling with English. Take your sentence formation for example, "Oh, touchy. I hit a nerve?" would be the proper way to communicate your message. Remember, the impression you leave on others is entirely based on your capacity to type out proper sentences as well as your ability to read and comprehend information which is being communicated to you in text. This is a forum after all.
If you reply with sentences which indicate a complete lack of comprehending what is being communicated to you then you do come off as being an individual of limited intellectual capabilities. I am certain that this is not true which is why I politely suggested the Oxford English lineup for your viewing pleasure.
These books should help you master the English language and thus add an aura of professionalism to your posts.
Ummm. No. That is what 1060/Ti is for.
Been suspecting for a while now that Polaris is meant to compete with GP106. Not GP104. That will be what Vega is for IMHO.
Not in the slightest.
With all due respect, I am recommending the Oxford books for you because they are great starting points for people struggling with English. Take your sentence formation for example, "Oh, touchy. I hit a nerve?" would be the proper way to communicate your message. Remember, the impression you leave on others is entirely based on your capacity to type out proper sentences as well as your ability to read and comprehend information which is being communicated to you in text. This is a forum after all.
If you reply with sentences which indicate a complete lack of comprehending what is being communicated to you then you do come off as being an individual of limited intellectual capabilities. I am certain that this is not true which is why I politely suggested the Oxford English lineup for your viewing pleasure.
These books should help you master the English language and thus add an aura of professionalism to your posts.
If you cannot source your claim then it considered as BS do you know that?
I do not have time to search and quote you ,however, i remember you clearly said that AMD always launch new node GPU first and they will do same again.
I agree, it should have happened eons ago, but I think it was due to process issues. They probably looked at Llano and decided there is no way we can have GPUs built on 32nm. And it was a correct move in terms of staying competitive in the GPU market.Not being made at TSMC is very important. A pity it took AMD ten years from when the merged with ATI. Even if AMD's and subsequently Global Fondries' process was never ideal for GPUs, having to pay penalties under the WSA was crazy. You would have though that rather than paying those they could have design some part to use up the wafers. And since GPUs are really parallel and since 'slow-and-wide' or 'narrow-and-fast' are both possible for GPUs I cannot see why they didn't do this years ago.
Not being made at TSMC is very important. A pity it took AMD ten years from when the merged with ATI. Even if AMD's and subsequently Global Fondries' process was never ideal for GPUs, having to pay penalties under the WSA was crazy. You would have though that rather than paying those they could have design some part to use up the wafers. And since GPUs are really parallel and since 'slow-and-wide' or 'narrow-and-fast' are both possible for GPUs I cannot see why they didn't do this years ago.
One thing that hasn't been talked about much is AMD's relationship with Global Foundries. This is the first time AMD is making GPUs with their long standing partner Global Foundries (owners of GloFo own a 10% stake in AMD) I would not be surprised if AMD has more favorable wafer supply terms than Nvidia has with TSMC.
Right I believe AMD gets dinged if they don't order a minimum required number of wafers, but provided the demand is high enough and they can satisfy this requirement, I would not be surprised price per wafer is more favorable than with TSMC.Not sure if they pay less for wafers. The use them or pay anyways agreement I'm sure plays a role in the pricing structure. I'd imagine GloFo is obligated too fulfill it's end of the agreement as is AMD.
Every new GPU has launch issues due to demand and other stock inventory. It takes around 2 months time to sort it out. Same will happen to Polaris.
I do not have time to search and quote you ,however, i remember you clearly said that AMD always launch new node GPU first and they will do same again.
I agree, it should have happened eons ago, but I think it was due to process issues. They probably looked at Llano and decided there is no way we can have GPUs built on 32nm. And it was a correct move in terms of staying competitive in the GPU market.
After reading last few pages I come to conclusion that people on forums are not really interested in technology but cheerleading their favorite brands, and/or bashing the other one brand based on personal preferences.
People who are really interested in technology can be counted in single digits on this forum.
Not sure if they pay less for wafers. The use them or pay anyways agreement I'm sure plays a role in the pricing structure. I'd imagine GloFo is obligated too fulfill it's end of the agreement as is AMD.
Yeah, perhaps the advantage of 28SHP wasn't big enough to justify a redesign for the new process. AMD also didn't pull a Maxwell type optimization on TSMCs 28nm process. They were probably busy with HBM and Polaris and Zen.. they also don't have unlimited resources.That's true of the 32nm process used for Bulldozer/Piledriver, but the 28SHP process used for Kaveri and Puma+ works fine with iGPUs. No reason it couldn't have worked with dGPUs like Tonga and Fiji as well. It's not as if those two were speed demons on TSMC process either (they had lower max clocks than the GCN 1.0 products).
Umm... I think AMD are pretty much confirmed dominance with Vega 10/11 now.
If a Polaris 10 can match a 1070 due to this massive overclocking headroom while still running lower clocks than the 1070 then we have confirmation that the performance per clk figures of AMDs Polaris and Vega cards are much higher than those of nVIDIAs Pascal cards.
You have efficiency (lower than 150 Watts) for the RX 480 and then you can boost it to 1500MHz+ if you want... all for a card which is priced quite competitively.
nVIDIA will have their 1060 ready for around the same time AMD release their Vega lineup.
Seems to me that the only market nVIDIA are left with is the ultra highend with their 1080 for now. I am also willing to bet that the RX 480 will be available in massive numbers on launch day compared to the rather hard to find 1070/1080s.
nVIDIA appears to have known what AMD were up too and released their cards prior to having adequate supply (hence the founders tax). No wonder AMDs stock is rising exponentially. Their upcoming CPU and GPU products and VERY compelling and so far the rumors appear to ALL be true.
Still waiting Mahigan...
We'll find out soon enough, but if rumours are true only Radeon RX 480 8GB will make it to stores this month (unknown stocks), while others come later.
Nothing points to that. Polaris 10 got an official AMD VR score of 6.3. That's around what an R9 290 gives. RX 470 cant even reach minimum VR specs.
Even if you OC Polaris from 1266Mhz to 1500Mhz. We talk 390X performance in VR measurement.
VR was another part they would dominate, right?
If they release a Founder's Edition with 1700 mhz boost assured under water for $300 I'll be satisfied. Anything less than a 1750 mhz boost is pretty bad at this point. I'm expecting 1800 mhz boost out of the RX480 Founder's Edition.