[Rumor] RX 480 Overclocking 1500+Mhz

[topmounter]

This................... The purpose of 480 is destroyed.

Only if nV drops 1070 pricing to <=$299.

 

[Thala]

Overestimating the thing each % higher frequency will reduce perf/Watt by the same amount, so 1.25x overclock would reduce the 2.8x perf/watt improvement down to 2.8/1.25 = 2.24x.

Actually if both performance and and power scale linear with frequency, the efficiency stays constant. That is if you do not increase voltage.
Typically performance scaling is not precisely linear so you might see a slight deviation.

 

[Keysplayr]

Only if nV drops 1070 pricing to <=$299.

Ummm. No. That is what 1060/Ti is for.
Been suspecting for a while now that Polaris is meant to compete with GP106. Not GP104. That will be what Vega is for IMHO.

 

[Mahigan]

This................... The purpose of 480 is destroyed.

Umm... I think AMD are pretty much confirmed dominance with Vega 10/11 now.

If a Polaris 10 can match a 1070 due to this massive overclocking headroom while still running lower clocks than the 1070 then we have confirmation that the performance per clk figures of AMDs Polaris and Vega cards are much higher than those of nVIDIAs Pascal cards.

You have efficiency (lower than 150 Watts) for the RX 480 and then you can boost it to 1500MHz+ if you want... all for a card which is priced quite competitively.

nVIDIA will have their 1060 ready for around the same time AMD release their Vega lineup.

Seems to me that the only market nVIDIA are left with is the ultra highend with their 1080 for now. I am also willing to bet that the RX 480 will be available in massive numbers on launch day compared to the rather hard to find 1070/1080s.

nVIDIA appears to have known what AMD were up too and released their cards prior to having adequate supply (hence the founders tax). No wonder AMDs stock is rising exponentially. Their upcoming CPU and GPU products and VERY compelling and so far the rumors appear to ALL be true.

 

[sirmo]

200 euro will be the difference here between a 480 OC to 1500mhz+ even out and surpassing a 1070 at 200 euro less. so dont judge the card from one market in the world as there are markets that have a worse priced 1070 that will be needed to go down or they loose vs the 480 priced performance.

AMD just crushed the 1070 and they will have to drop prices on that card.

Seeing how Nvidia is having yield issues, I doubt Nvidia will drop prices, beyond their MSRP. It's already a bigger chip.. And if you look at previous gen 390 and 380 cards they really didn't have much competition from Nvidia in terms of price.

One thing that hasn't been talked about much is AMD's relationship with Global Foundries. This is the first time AMD is making GPUs with their long standing partner Global Foundries (owners of GloFo own a 10% stake in AMD) I would not be surprised if AMD has more favorable wafer supply terms than Nvidia has with TSMC.

 

[Zanovar]

so how is vega 10/11 performing then?.do tell.

 

[Abwx]

Actually if both performance and and power scale linear with frequency, the efficiency stays constant. That is if you do not increase voltage.
Typically performance scaling is not precisely linear so you might see a slight deviation.

Assuming we do not change the voltage margin increasing frequency by a ratio X will increase TDP by X, but one has to also increase voltage by sqrt(X) to keep the same stability margin, so the global TDP increasement is X^2 and perf watt is reduced by the ratio X.

That s of course a worst case figure as if the stock voltage margin is huge (like in their APUs..) then frequency can be increased without touching too much to the voltage, in wich case the perf/Watt will be much less degraded and even kept constant if voltage can be left the same.

 

[desprado]

Umm... I think AMD are pretty much confirmed dominance with Vega 10/11 now.

If a Polaris 10 can match a 1070 due to this massive overclocking headroom while still running lower clocks than the 1070 then we have confirmation that the performance per clk figures of AMDs Polaris and Vega cards are much higher than those of nVIDIAs Pascal cards.

You have efficiency (lower than 150 Watts) for the RX 480 and then you can boost it to 1500MHz+ if you want... all for a card which is priced quite competitively.

nVIDIA will have their 1060 ready for around the same time AMD release their Vega lineup.

Seems to me that the only market nVIDIA are left with is the ultra highend with their 1080 for now. I am also willing to bet that the RX 480 will be available in massive numbers on launch day compared to the rather hard to find 1070/1080s.

nVIDIA appears to have known what AMD were up too and released their cards prior to having adequate supply (hence the founders tax). No wonder AMDs stock is rising exponentially. Their upcoming CPU and GPU products and VERY compelling and so far the rumors appear to ALL be true.

Same like you said that pascal will be slower in DX12 and AMD will launch before Polaris before pascal?

 

[Mahigan]

so how is vega 10/11 performing then?.do tell.

You will need a very high clocked 1080 Ti and that chip is much larger than the 1080 which has issues keeping heat under control beyond 2000 MHz. The overclocking headroom on Pascal is not there on the smaller chips therefore it likely will not be there on the larger chips.

AMD on the other hand appear to have higher performance per clk figures while retaining the ability to clock up their parts.

Vega should be interesting based on these figures. The smaller Vega is set to compete with the 1070 and 1080 (two SKUs and most likely the 490/490x cards) while the larger Vega is set to tackle the 1080 Ti or potential Titan GPUs.

If the Polaris 10 can match the 1070 while running lower clocks than the 1070 then performance wise... Polaris/Vega appear to be the better GPUs if the clocks being mentioned hold true.

These clocks are also mentioned to be on air... which is impressive considering even a watercooled 1080 just does not have the leg room to really ramp up.

What we have is a single AMD product (the RX 480) serving as competition for the eventual 1060 as well as 1070. That is a mighty impressive performance range for a single card (a tiny card at that).

Manufacturing the RX 480 is likely much easier as the yields are most likely much higher than the larger nVIDIA Pascal GPUs.

DX12 should also serve to give the AMD GPUs a bit more performance as well as their support for Asynchronous Compute + Graphics (something Pascal does not support albeit improvements to Pascals scheduling have at least rectified the performance costs associated with Asynchronous compute + graphics on Maxwell).

All that indicates that AMD are in for a very nice end to 2016. Looking at their stock...it appears that the market agrees.

 

[desprado]

You will need a very high clocked 1080 Ti and that chip is much larger than the 1080 which has issues keeping heat under control beyond 2000 MHz. The overclocking headroom on Pascal is not there on the smaller chips therefore it likely will not be there on the larger chips.

AMD on the other hand appear to have higher performance per clk figures while retaining the ability to clock up their parts.

Vega should be interesting based on these figures. The smaller Vega is set to compete with the 1070 and 1080 (two SKUs and most likely the 490/490x cards) while the larger Vega is set to tackle the 1080 Ti or potential Titan GPUs.

If the Polaris 10 can match the 1070 while running lower clocks than the 1070 then performance wise... Polaris/Vega appear to be the better GPUs if the clocks being mentioned hold true.

These clocks are also mentioned to be on air... which is impressive considering even a watercooled 1080 just does not have the leg room to really ramp up.

What we have is a single AMD product (the RX 480) serving as competition for the eventual 1060 as well as 1070. That is a mighty impressive performance range for a single card (a tiny card at that).

Manufacturing the RX 480 is likely much easier as the yields are most likely much higher than the larger nVIDIA Pascal GPUs.

DX12 should also serve to give the AMD GPUs a bit more performance as well as their support for Asynchronous Compute + Graphics (something Pascal does not support albeit improvements to Pascals scheduling have at least rectified the performance costs associated with Asynchronous compute + graphics on Maxwell).

All that indicates that AMD are in for a very nice end to 2016. Looking at their stock...it appears that the market agrees.

You are still claiming false assumptions?

 

[Zanovar]

You will need a very high clocked 1080 Ti and that chip is much larger than the 1080 which has issues keeping heat under control beyond 2000 MHz. The overclocking headroom on Pascal is not there on the smaller chips therefore it likely will not be there on the larger chips.

AMD on the other hand appear to have higher performance per clk figures while retaining the ability to clock up their parts.

Vega should be interesting based on these figures. The smaller Vega is set to compete with the 1070 and 1080 (two SKUs and most likely the 490/490x cards) while the larger Vega is set to tackle the 1080 Ti or potential Titan GPUs.

If the Polaris 10 can match the 1070 while running lower clocks than the 1070 then performance wise... Polaris/Vega appear to be the better GPUs if the clocks being mentioned hold true.

These clocks are also mentioned to be on air... which is impressive considering even a watercooled 1080 just does not have the leg room to really ramp up.

What we have is a single AMD product (the RX 480) serving as competition for the eventual 1060 as well as 1070. That is a mighty impressive performance range for a single card (a tiny card at that).

Manufacturing the RX 480 is likely much easier as the yields are most likely much higher than the larger nVIDIA Pascal GPUs.

DX12 should also serve to give the AMD GPUs a bit more performance as well as their support for Asynchronous Compute + Graphics (something Pascal does not support albeit improvements to Pascals scheduling have at least rectified the performance costs associated with Asynchronous compute + graphics on Maxwell).

All that indicates that AMD are in for a very nice end to 2016. Looking at their stock...it appears that the market agrees.

So you havent got a clue.thanks.

 

[Mahigan]

Same like you said that pascal will be slower in DX12 and AMD will launch before Polaris before pascal?

Can you quote me plz? On wait.. you cannot because you are making stuff up.

I did state that Pascal would be slower than Vega (if you find my quote you will see that this is what I stated). This appears to be true no?

As for AMD launching first... do you have a quote on me stating this? I do not remember ever saying such a thing but that one is plausible because I did anticipate AMD launching first. nVIDIA did launch first but with horrible yields requiring a Founders Edition Tax gimmick.

Before you attribute claims to me... could you please link everyone to my specific quotes? Everything I have ever said is here on the forums for all to see so you should not have any issues finding these quotes you claim I have made.

 

[desprado]

Can you quote me plz? On wait.. you cannot because you are making stuff up.

I did state that Pascal would be slower than Vega (if you find my quote you will see that this is what I stated). This appears to be true no?

As for AMD launching first... do you have a quote on me stating this? I do not remember ever saying such a thing but that one is plausible because I did anticipate AMD launching first. nVIDIA did launch first but with horrible yields requiring a Founders Edition Tax gimmick.

Before you attribute claims to me... could you please link everyone to my specific quotes? Everything I have ever said is here on the forums for all to see so you should not have any issues finding these quotes you claim I have made.

I do not have time to search and quote you ,however, i remember you clearly said that AMD always launch new node GPU first and they will do same again.

 

[Sweepr]

nVIDIA did launch first but with horrible yields requiring a Founders Edition Tax gimmick.

Source, please.

Looking to quell the fear expressed by the analysts about yields, Huang said that "[NVDIA] wouldn't have announced [products built on 16-nanometer FinFET] if we didn't have manufacturing under control. So we're in great shape."

 

[desprado]

edit.

 

[Mahigan]

So you havent got a clue.thanks.

Umm... it is an educated guess based on these rumors holding true. If these rumors are not true then my guess is not valid. I have predicated my statements on these rumors holding true... re-read my posts.

If you have issues comprehending how the English language works I suggest you get acquainted with these wonderful Oxford books...

https://www.oxfordlearnersbookshelf.com/home/homePage.html

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Insulting other members will not be tolerated.

-Rvenger

 

[Zanovar]

Umm... it is an educated guess based on these rumors holding true. If these rumors are not true then my guess is not valid. I have predicated my statements on these rumors holding true... re-read my posts.

If you have issues comprehending how the English language works I suggest you get acquainted with these wonderful Oxford books...

https://www.oxfordlearnersbookshelf.com/home/homePage.html

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oo touchy.hit a nerve?*laughs*

 

[Mahigan]

I do not have time to search and quote you ,however, i remember you clearly said that AMD always launch new node GPU first and they will do same again.

You have a history of misquoting me or making stuff up about things I have said. If you do not have time to search my posts then it would be common decency to simply not attribute claims to me of which you are not certain.

 

[desprado]

Umm... it is an educated guess based on these rumors holding true. If these rumors are not true then my guess is not valid. I have predicated my statements on these rumors holding true... re-read my posts.

If you have issues comprehending how the English language works I suggest you get acquainted with these wonderful Oxford books...

https://www.oxfordlearnersbookshelf.com/home/homePage.html

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Can you elaborate that why always rumors like Fury X will be a overclockers dream, world fastest card, 40% faster then Titan X, Polaris will better then GTX 1080, Nvidia pascal is DOA, or delay are BS?

 

[Mahigan]

Source, please.

Here is one of many sources available to anyone who does a simple Google Search...

Stock issues will not improve until sometimes in July or August..

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52650/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-stock-improve-until-late-july/index.html

 

[desprado]

You have a history of misquoting me or making stuff up about things I have said. If you do not have time to search my posts then it would be common decency to simply not attribute claims to me of which you are not certain.

People on this forum know what you said and read. That is why you never claim things base on sympathy, fan-base or fell sorry for the company. However, you always claim things base on documentation, source or link.

 

[desprado]

Here is one of many sources available to anyone who does a simple Google Search...

Stock issues will not improve until sometimes in July or August..

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52650/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-stock-improve-until-late-july/index.html

Do you know that every launch item has stock issues till 2 months?

 

[Keysplayr]

so how is vega 10/11 performing then?.do tell.

He really did type that, didn't he.....

 

[Sweepr]

Here is one of many sources available to anyone who does a simple Google Search...

Stock issues will not improve until sometimes in July or August..

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52650/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-stock-improve-until-late-july/index.html

Still waiting Mahigan...

NVIDIA are the ones having yield issues hence the "Founder's Edition". AMD, on the other hand, don't have yield issues. They stated that they would launch in mid-2016 and that's what they're doing.

We'll find out soon enough, but if rumours are true only Radeon RX 480 8GB will make it to stores this month (unknown stocks), while others come later.

 

[desprado]

He really did type that, didn't he.....

Another assumption without source.