[Rumor] RX 480 Overclocking 1500+Mhz

[JDG1980]

If a third party card leaks and runs hot and draws a ton of power then Polaris will be perceived as trash. Look what happened with Hawaii. Amd released a half baked cooling solution, everyone burned the cards in reviews for it and then no one bought them even after third party cards that ran cool and drew less power came out.

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Agreed. AIBs often have better coolers, but some of them have serious problems with excessive power consumption - not something AMD wants when they're going for a perf/watt focused release. If they did RX 480 as a pure virtual release with no reference cards, something like this could happen.

 

[nkdesistyle]

Agreed. AIBs often have better coolers, but some of them have serious problems with excessive power consumption - not something AMD wants when they're going for a perf/watt focused release. If they did RX 480 as a pure virtual release with no reference cards, something like this could happen.

This, I think they they did the right thing. keep it at decent perf/watt and if people want more leave headroom and let them play with it. That way they dont make the fury line up obsolete if they get to close to it. I think they never intended it to be fury replacement otherwise they will have to write off a lot of inventory if they creep up close to fury/fury x performance.

 

[Elixer]

If a third party card leaks and runs hot and draws a ton of power then Polaris will be perceived as trash. Look what happened with Hawaii. Amd released a half baked cooling solution, everyone burned the cards in reviews for it and then no one bought them even after third party cards that ran cool and drew less power came out.

While that is one possibility, (to prevent a AIB from making the card look bad--instead of AMD doing that itself) the flip side of that argument would be, if AMD would have skipped the reference design, and went straight with a Sapphire Tri-X type cooler, they would have been in a much different position than they are now.

The far bigger problem AMD will have is that lots of the "review" sites will be comparing the 480 to something it was never meant to compete against.

 

[JDG1980]

While that is one possibility, (to prevent a AIB from making the card look bad--instead of AMD doing that itself) the flip side of that argument would be, if AMD would have skipped the reference design, and went straight with a Sapphire Tri-X type cooler, they would have been in a much different position than they are now.

You're correct that they would have been better off doing this for Hawaii, but that was a different situation. Hawaii was a big chip, designed to compete with GK110 at the high end. At the time of its release, no one would really have cared if it used 250W or 280W. What people did complain about was the fact that the reference cooler was inadequate - it either throttled or generated excessive noise (or both).

Things are different for a Pitcairn-sized chip with a 150W power limit. This is a mid-range part, and with its low price, a lot of people will be upgrading crappy OEM PCs. That means they do need a blower option (many OEM systems have absolutely terrible case ventilation) and going over one 6-pin PCIe connector can potentially introduce compatibility problems (we're looking at 300-450W PSUs in these OEM boxes, and not from top-tier vendors). And it's a lot easier to get a blower working with acceptable noise and performance at under 150W than it is at 250W and up.

The far bigger problem AMD will have is that lots of the "review" sites will be comparing the 480 to something it was never meant to compete against.

Agreed. We'll be seeing a lot of largely meaningless comparisons with the 1070. It will be interesting to see how these same sites handle GP106 when it comes.

 

[boozzer]

But how many reviewers would actually be honest and mention the incredible perf/$ and not trying to pull one over their readers and try to focus on some trivial stuff?

 

[nkdesistyle]

Man Hardcop is already starting a war on amd it seems. Today an article about only 8000 cards available and then later on reporting the worst overclock reported and ignoring all the reports about the card hitting 1400mhz easy because some dude didn't know how to overclock and didn't adjust the power tune settings.

For the first time I have seen them quote wccftech, but they chose to quote the 1347mhz overclock but ignored every other report of 1400+. They are out on assault one week before launch. Very targeted reporting.

 

[boozzer]

Man Hardcop is already starting a war on amd it seems. Today an article about only 8000 cards available and then later on reporting the worst overclock reported and ignoring all the reports about the card hitting 1400mhz easy because some dude didn't know how to overclock and didn't adjust the power tune settings.

For the first time I have seen them quote wccftech, but they chose to quote the 1347mhz overclock but ignored every other report of 1400+. They are out on assault one week before launch. Very targeted reporting.

just marketing dollars at work

 

[nkdesistyle]

just marketing dollars at work

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IDK at first I was fine about the 8k cards, then tonight steve makes another thread quoting the worst oc by an idiot who kept freezing his computer and didn't know what he was doing. But have never quoted any of the good rumors by wccftech. They picked the worst one today and reported that. One week before launch and seems very targeted assault on AMD. I give them benefit of the doubt but two articles in one day one bey kyle and one by steve. It just seems like they are doing their best to attack in a quiet way..

 

[digitaldurandal]

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IDK at first I was fine about the 8k cards, then tonight steve makes another thread quoting the worst oc by an idiot who kept freezing his computer and didn't know what he was doing. But have never quoted any of the good rumors by wccftech. They picked the worst one today and reported that. One week before launch and seems very targeted assault on AMD. I give them benefit of the doubt but two articles in one day one bey kyle and one by steve. It just seems like they are doing their best to attack in a quiet way..

Kyle has lost all credibility. He either is incompetent or a shill. He posted about Polaris supposedly being originally a Halo product and made statements that showed he did not understand the differences between the 14nm process AMD is using and the 16nm process Nvidia is using. Stating that it is supposed to be 30% faster etc.

Then he tries to say that AMD only recently started saying Polaris was targeted at the mainstream "because they were forced to." I forget what date he says, however someone posts proof they mentioned it at least as far back as December last year.

The price and performance are revealed and he posts the word, "Meh." That is some quality journalism.

I think he cannot believe that his company has been cut out of the game by AMD. Honestly, I do not blame them for it. Why should they waste their time?

I used to use H reviews all the time, then once Gameworks came along their entire bench started to become Gameworks titles. Starting with some Physx titles and eventually more than half of their games were being benched with Gameworks or Physx enabled.

Then they said that the Fury X was garbage because of 4GB.. but even their own review showed it doing very well at 4K. How can you post that the 4GB is holding the card back but show it winning the fps contest at the highest resolutions?

Kyle comes up with a conclusion and then attempts to fit the data to that conclusion instead of coming up with data and fitting his conclusion to that data.

I definitely think that some of the hype around Polaris is overdone, just like with every product launch including Nvidia's 1080 or AMD's Fury X, the best OC claims are probably not realistic. However, no matter the outcome it will not change Kyle's mind. His "credible sources" keep constantly feeding him bad news and yet the stock price keeps rocketing upwards, weird.

 

[nkdesistyle]

Kyle has lost all credibility. He either is incompetent or a shill. He posted about Polaris supposedly being originally a Halo product and made statements that showed he did not understand the differences between the 14nm process AMD is using and the 16nm process Nvidia is using. Stating that it is supposed to be 30% faster etc.

Then he tries to say that AMD only recently started saying Polaris was targeted at the mainstream "because they were forced to." I forget what date he says, however someone posts proof they mentioned it at least as far back as December last year.

The price and performance are revealed and he posts the word, "Meh." That is some quality journalism.

I think he cannot believe that his company has been cut out of the game by AMD. Honestly, I do not blame them for it. Why should they waste their time?

I used to use H reviews all the time, then once Gameworks came along their entire bench started to become Gameworks titles. Starting with some Physx titles and eventually more than half of their games were being benched with Gameworks or Physx enabled.

Then they said that the Fury X was garbage because of 4GB.. but even their own review showed it doing very well at 4K. How can you post that the 4GB is holding the card back but show it winning the fps contest at the highest resolutions?

Kyle comes up with a conclusion and then attempts to fit the data to that conclusion instead of coming up with data and fitting his conclusion to that data.

I definitely think that some of the hype around Polaris is overdone, just like with every product launch including Nvidia's 1080 or AMD's Fury X, the best OC claims are probably not realistic. However, no matter the outcome it will not change Kyle's mind. His "credible sources" keep constantly feeding him bad news and yet the stock price keeps rocketing upwards, weird.

It is true. Anandtech article here on polaris says amd polaris based architecture will use gddr5 and hbm but amd disclosed gddr5 models will be used first so that means we will see low to midrange parts first and then high end and polaris will launch in mid 2016. But they refuse to believe it was said back in december and saying anandtech was speculating at that point amd never meant gddr5 part will be polaris 10 and polaris 10 was suppose to be hbm2. WTF? Now two articles the same day, first I was like okay may be kyle didn't mean any harm, but then one late at night about the reporting wccftech. Funny thing is they reported the worst overclock result by some admin that was probably trolling I think. In the forums someone translated and said he didn't unlock the power settings before overclocking. All that part left out, it seems they let people sepculate and turn it in to a war zone and then say oh we are just reporting a leak we have no opinion on it don't blame us. lol

 

[3DVagabond]

They will have get ample paper at launch?
If they got at least 500 cards, that is ~$100K worth of paper.



I think it still is too early to say if they will have adequate stock or not.
Yes, they have been stockpiling, but, if the yields were fantastic, that would have meant that their AIBs would also be stockpiling up their custom cards, and it seems that everyone will be selling reference designed ones for the first few days/weeks or so.

More times than not AIB custom cards are not available day one. It's because AMD/nVidia would rather sell them an entire card than just a GPU or GPU/PCB. Also, in order to minimize leaks they don't get GPU's to the AIB's too far ahead. If it takes a month or two (or more?) to design, manufacture, and ship a product and they got the chips to the AIB's that far ahead of launch, we'd all know everything there is to know about the cards way ahead of time.

 

[flopper]

Kyle has lost all credibility.

He is like a sick dog or something.
a child with fever that hallucinate stuff.
He dont understand when he is wrong which is a sign of sociopathic tendencies and then as a result he feels hurt when he didnt get his way with amd when it was his fault?
That type of behaviour is a big warning sign for anyone that cares about their mental health to not hang around with.

seems amd did the right thing with him.

anyhow, 480 are coming the new King

 

[maddie]

He is like a sick dog or something.
a child with fever that hallucinate stuff.
He dont understand when he is wrong which is a sign of sociopathic tendencies and then as a result he feels hurt when he didnt get his way with amd when it was his fault?
That type of behaviour is a big warning sign for anyone that cares about their mental health to not hang around with.

seems amd did the right thing with him.

anyhow, 480 are coming the new King

I agree with this as I have been trying to understand his mental state. The congregation there however, reminds me very much of a devoted unquestioning fellowship. Scary to witness in action.

On the other hand, he might be angling for a job at Nvidia. Anand went to Apple, Scott Wasson went to RTG. Kyle to Nvidia? Strange approach however, if correct.

 

[renderstate]

Why would NVIDIA hire him? It makes no sense.

 

[crisium]

Why would NVIDIA hire him? It makes no sense.

Yeah, the guy has no technical knowledge. He is undesirable for any tech company unless they want an obnoxious PR guy.

 

[littleg]

Well this is how tech sites fall. Most people view a number of sites for their tech news and reviews, if you consistently stand out in one sides camp making up rubbish about the other side then eventually your rep will be dirt.

That's already happened with them to a large extent. I don't take anything they say seriously. I wouldn't even consider their view in a case screw review.

 

[Yakk]

I used to use H reviews all the time, then once Gameworks came along their entire bench started to become Gameworks titles. Starting with some Physx titles and eventually more than half of their games were being benched with Gameworks or Physx enabled.

Yeah, looking back I stuck around way too long after the gameworks test suite became standard fare... oh well... leave them to their thing and move on

 

[therealnickdanger]

Yeah, the guy has no technical knowledge. He is undesirable for any tech company unless they want an obnoxious PR guy.

That style of marketing worked great for Apple. You don't need to be technically savvy or know about rams and processing any units, "It just works." Buy it and use it, never question it.

However, is there actual evidence of Kyle/Hard being paid to bash AMD and promote Nvidia? Poor reviews and bias are one thing, but some of the allegations being tossed around here make me uncomfortable.

 

[RussianSensation]

I agree with this as I have been trying to understand his mental state. The congregation there however, reminds me very much of a devoted unquestioning fellowship. Scary to witness in action.

On the other hand, he might be angling for a job at Nvidia. Anand went to Apple, Scott Wasson went to RTG. Kyle to Nvidia? Strange approach however, if correct.

That forum seems to attract the "New" type of "PC enthusiasts", the ones who define the term as who spends the most $$$ on GPU and CPU hardware, not those who are passionate about all PC hardware/gaming. I mean if the main editors/owner(s) cannot comprehend that P10 is an HD7850 successor and is not a 660Ti/670/680 (1070/1080) competitor, then what else is there to discuss? AMD told AnandTech in the spring that they will have Vega 10 and 11 as higher end cards but this flew over their heads too.

To me HardOCP lost all credibility a long time ago when they refused to recommend after-market 280X/380X/290 over 960. This is the exact reason the old TechReport's reputation was completely destroyed. Right now they are doing everything to bash RX 480 but ignoring that real world market prices for 1070 are $410+. The delta in price was far smaller with R9 280X/290 over 960. If you compare last gen's after-market $250-275 R9 290 to $180-200 960 cards, it outperformed them by way greater amounts than 1070 will against the 480.

How can the same review site that ignored the price/performance of 280X/290 and 290/X CF over the 960 and 980, respectively, now have the nerve to recommend 1070 over the 480? Lack of consistency = lack of professionalism or inherent personal bias exists.

This might interest some folks... http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-pre-order-in-stock/

Pretty much confirms what I have said recently.

RX 470 4GB for $149 looks like a sleeper deal no one is talking about. With overclocking, it could be R9 290 level of performance in an 90-100W envelope. The VRAM on it should be able to overclock RX 480 speeds, and if it has 2048 stream processors, once the core is also overclocked, the performance deficit could only be 10-12% against the 480.

 

[crisium]

However, is there actual evidence of Kyle/Hard being paid to bash AMD and promote Nvidia? Poor reviews and bias are one thing, but some of the allegations being tossed around here make me uncomfortable.

It's sort of the opposite. There's no evidence he is paid by Nvidia, and I really doubt he is. But it's clear AMD and Kyle have a very sour relationship.

Kyle even bragged that after the Nano fiasco and the formation of RTG he turned down a paid trip to California for an exclusive interview with Raja. The Nano behavior with its sensationalist articles, turning down an offer to cool relations (exclusive Raja interview) and choosing instead burning bridges with an article on 'inside knowledge of an RTG coup against AMD' and 'Polaris is hot'... and now this new deliberate cherry picking of which WCCFTech rumours to cite.

And that's not even mentioning the outright incorrect analysis that he (and the other one, who is forum member so I won't name him) draws in reviews that contradict the data, but when you call them out on it they attack you or ignore you. He has never even admitted that he may have even exaggerated, to my knowledge.

 

[maddie]

Why would NVIDIA hire him? It makes no sense.

That's the thing about human thinking. What makes sense to some is madness to others.

Just look through this thread for milder examples.

 

[Qwertilot]

The vastly saner suggestion is that he's publishing semi rants - against everybody note - to get attention and drive traffic. Seems to work and I guess it suits the general mood of some

The reviews are actually entirely objective looking.

 

[RussianSensation]

It's sort of the opposite. There's no evidence he is paid by Nvidia, and I really doubt he is. But it's clear AMD and Kyle have a very sour relationship.

Kyle even bragged that after the Nano fiasco and the formation of RTG he turned down a paid trip to California for an exclusive interview with Raja. The Nano behavior with its sensationalist articles, turning down an offer to cool relations (exclusive Raja interview) and choosing instead burning bridges with an article on 'inside knowledge of an RTG coup against AMD' and 'Polaris is hot'... and now this new deliberate cherry picking of which WCCFTech rumours to cite.

And that's not even mentioning the outright incorrect analysis that he (and the other one, who is forum member so I won't name him) draws in reviews that contradict the data, but when you call them out on it they attack you or ignore you. He has never even admitted that he may have even exaggerated, to my knowledge.

Didn't you know that $449 RX 470 and $699 480 were designed as 1070/1080 competitors but testing them 6 months ago at 1.7Ghz revealed 250W power usage? As the last resort, AMD had to drop clocks to low and mid-1200mhz range, reduce MSRP to $149-179 and $199-229. Then they took their 2018 next generation ultra high-end cards and pushed them forward to 2017 as a sign of desperation. They will now use a 600mm2 VEGA HBM2 just to compete with a 1080. Navi is AMD's dual-Vega card with a 280mm2 radiator aimed to compete with Big Pascal but will arrive 1 year later than scheduled due to lack of funds and sufficient amount of low-leakage VEGA chips. VEGA will also be a 2-3 months paper launch in 2017 because HBM2 has supply shortages.

^ I swear I heard this from reliable sources. You don't have to believe me but I am just looking out after you guys.

 

[crisium]

But RS, Kyle has "been told" AMD's 14nm process has a 30% advantage over Nvidia's 16nm.

I may have some dissatisfaction with Polaris, but at least I'm not delusional like Kyle who expected outright 1:1 competition with GP104. Also I'm looking forward to in what way RX 480 is hotter than GP104 as claimed by him, since it clearly has lower power consumption and leaks show lower temperatures too. If it can match or beat performance-per-watt then Kyle further loses any sense of credibility. Sadly even a minor ppw advantage for Nvidia I'm sure he would spin into validation of his claims.

 

[Mercennarius]

Didn't you know that $449 RX 470 and $699 480 were designed as 1070/1080 competitors but testing them 6 months ago at 1.7Ghz revealed 250W power usage? As the last resort, AMD had to drop clocks to low and mid-1200mhz range, reduce MSRP to $149-179 and $199-229. Then they took their 2018 next generation ultra high-end cards and pushed them forward to 2017 as a sign of desperation. They will now use a 600mm2 VEGA HBM2 just to compete with a 1080. Navi is AMD's dual-Vega card with a 280mm2 radiator aimed to compete with Big Pascal but will arrive 1 year later than scheduled due to lack of funds and sufficient amount of low-leakage VEGA chips. VEGA will also be a 2-3 months paper launch in 2017 because HBM2 has supply shortages.

^ I swear I heard this from reliable sources. You don't have to believe me but I am just looking out after you guys.

lol

Sorry, that is not true.