[Rumor, Tweaktown] AMD to launch next-gen Navi graphics cards at E3

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VirtualLarry

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Anyway, here we go:

RX 5600 XT - 24 CUs, 8 GB GDDR6 - $250, GTX 1660 Ti performance. 4 GB version at $229.
RX 5600 - 22 CUs, 8 GB GDDR6 - 199$, GTX 1650 Ti performance. 4 GB version at $179.
RX 5500 - 20 CUs, 3 GB GDDR6 - $149, GTX 1650 performance
That looks good to me, but where is that all going to end up, when the rumored GTX 1660 Super drops, with GDDR6? That might shake up the NVidia pricing, and make the RX 5500/5600 series look less competitive.
 

Glo.

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The leaked Benchmarks are not giving me a warm feeling. According to the leaks Navi 14 is performing anywhere from the same as the RX 570 to (slightly) faster than RX 590. The most recent rumors claim Navi 14 will be a 128bit card with 8GB GDDR6 which again makes me hesitant. 128bit bus will have a hard time keeping the GPU fed.

On the logical side, AMD is simply not so dumb as to bring out a new card that performs the same as the old one. I expect the top end release version performs better than the RX 590 while being cooler and more power efficient. Of course AMD has disappointed me before...

Anyway, here we go:

RX 5600 XT - 24 CUs, 8 GB GDDR6 - $250, GTX 1660 Ti performance. 4 GB version at $229.
RX 5600 - 22 CUs, 8 GB GDDR6 - 199$, GTX 1650 Ti performance. 4 GB version at $179.
RX 5500 - 20 CUs, 3 GB GDDR6 - $149, GTX 1650 performance
The same way Navi 10 was performing slightly slower or around GTX 1660 Ti in leaked benchmarks.

Oh, how that turned out to be true!
 

Glo.

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That looks good to me, but where is that all going to end up, when the rumored GTX 1660 Super drops, with GDDR6? That might shake up the NVidia pricing, and make the RX 5500/5600 series look less competitive.
The fact that Nvidia readies GTX 1660 Super, with 14 Gbps GDDR6 should tell you guys, how good is Navi 14 performing.
 
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lifeblood

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Current rumors say yes, RDNA 2.

Assuming it turns out that way, it's interesting that early on before Navi 10 launched there were rumors that said Navi 10 used a hybrid RDNA/GCN architecture while Navi 20 would use the full RDNA. I don't know if Navi 10 is using a hybrid architecture or RDNA light or just first generation RDNA, but the rumors were apparently true that Big Navi uses something different than midrange Navi.

Regardless, I can't wait to see what AMD does. While my next card will be midrange it's fun to watch the battle for the crown.
 

lifeblood

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Which of the big Navi?
Assuming their are three (big, bigger, & biggest I think was your name for them) certainly the 2080 TI competitor (biggest) and probably the one below it (bigger). Probably not the 5800 (big) as rumor has that launching in October at the same time as Navi 14 and the reading I'm getting is RDNA 2 cards all come in 2020.
 

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Scott Herkelman recently said that they want to finally have a meaningful and stable naming convention for their cards. This, paired with recent rumors, point towards 5300, 5500 and 5700 (maybe also a 5900) as the full lineup as opposed to 5600 and 5800.

3,5,7,9 tiering as it is with Intel CPUs, AMD CPUs, BMW cars and so on...

I feel like AMD is trying to shame me into buying the 5700, or 5800 when it arrives.

Back in the days of the HD 5000 Series (2009), the 5800 Cards were for the hard core gamers while the 5700 series were for the budget gamers. The launch MSRP of the 5870 was $380 while the 5850 was $260. The 5770 was a relatively cheap $160. They also had the 5670 at $99, but those folks weren’t even allowed to call themselves gamers.

Fast forward to today and the budget gamer cards, the 5700 series, are a whopping $400 (5700 HD) and $350 (5700). If we’re lucky the low end 5600 cards (for people who don’t deserve to call themselves gamers) will only be $250 while the real “Mainstream gamer” cards, the 5800, will be heaven knows what.

I realize it’s just a name and what really matters is performance. The 5600 will be optimized for 1080p gamers while the 5700 is 1440p and the 5800 will target the 4k crowd. The logical part of my brain gets that. It’s the illogical part that is embarrassed to say I’m interested in the 5600 series.

Am I the only one?

Where's the problem here? :>

You buy what you think is better for you, choosing on every axis that matters to you: price, average fps, minimum fps, features, power, size of the card, video outputs and literally whatever.
 

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Scott Herkelman recently said that they want to finally have a meaningful and stable naming convention for their cards. This, paired with recent rumors, point towards 5300, 5500 and 5700 (maybe also a 5900) as the full lineup as opposed to 5600 and 5800.

3,5,7,9 tiering as it is with Intel CPUs, AMD CPUs, BMW cars and so on...

The BMW X1, X2, X4, X6, 2-series, 4-series, 8-series, Z4, and i8 would like to have a word

That being said, I'm not sure there was much confusion about the Polaris cards (within the stack), nor was there any confusion with the Vega cards. I don't think there's any confusion with the Navi cards.

So if they release more Navi cards, then they just keep using the 5xxx +/- XT convention for this generation, and for the RDNA2 cards move on to 6xxx +/- XT.

Even then, it still doesn't honestly make much sense (where is the 4xxx series? why are Vega chips numbered lower than Polaris chips?). But I've always disliked the idea of using longer and longer numbers to represent products. I loathe the day when we're going to have Kellogg's 3080 XT Titanium cereal on the shelf.

I know it's not as flashy, but just using Navi 36 and Navi 40 would have been easier. But we can't have smaller numbers so... here we are.
 

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So: RX 5500 1408 ALUs, RX 5600 - 1536 ALUs - Full Navi 14 die, RX 5600 XT 1792 ALUs(Cut down Navi 10) with god only knows what core config(possible GTX 1660 Ti/RTX 2060 direct competitor).

They wanted to simplify and added even more confusion and segmentation. However - I quite like this. 1792 ALU GPU with lets say 192 bit GDDR6 memory bus will be quite performant.
 

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Scott Herkelman recently said that they want to finally have a meaningful and stable naming convention for their cards. This, paired with recent rumors, point towards 5300, 5500 and 5700 (maybe also a 5900) as the full lineup as opposed to 5600 and 5800.

3,5,7,9 tiering as it is with Intel CPUs, AMD CPUs, BMW cars and so on...
I'm just not seeing it. We have 5700 already. That means their is room for only one more higher series, the 5900, unless we go even bigger to a 11000 (OMG, AMD turned it up to 11!).

I think they'll keep it in line as they have, 5600, 5700, 5800, etc.
 

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I'm just not seeing it. We have 5700 already. That means their is room for only one more higher series, the 5900, unless we go even bigger to a 11000 (OMG, AMD turned it up to 11!).

I think they'll keep it in line as they have, 5600, 5700, 5800, etc.
And besides that... we have the current lineup of 3200, 3400, 3600, 3700, 3800, 3900 lines, plus a supposed 3500. There is absolutely room for a 5800, 5900, 5600, 5500. Doubt they'd do a 5200 or 5400 since their corresponding chips are APUs.
 
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And besides that... we have the current lineup of 3200, 3400, 3600, 3700, 3800, 3900 lines, plus a supposed 3500. There is absolutely room for a 5800, 5900, 5600, 5500. Doubt they'd do a 5200 or 5400 since their corresponding chips are APUs.
We already have 5300XT advertised
 

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Are these using RDNA v2?
Yes RDNA2 but I will probably make some minor changes to my lineup based on new info from videocardz/wccftech and moores law dead youtube video, but I want confirmation first. Might post it anyway as videocardz is very reliable.
 

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Here I am staring at an open-box PowerColor reference 5700 XT for $323... looking mighty appealing since I don't care much about noise under load. But I keep telling myself- wait! There is a price war looming... hopefully!
 

VirtualLarry

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Here I am staring at an open-box PowerColor reference 5700 XT for $323... looking mighty appealing since I don't care much about noise under load. But I keep telling myself- wait! There is a price war looming... hopefully!
Oh man, that's a tough decision. I was facing something similar, I had just purchased at the beginning of last month, an MSI Ventus GTX 1660 ti for $270+tax, and then one showed up from a private seller, used, on ebay, for $210. I was like, "Hmm, cost averaging down? Get two total?". So I bought that one too, but I was late with the rent. In hindsight, not a great idea. But I did help out the DC TeAm for the PrimeGrid race, we nabbed 3rd-place (not because of me, but because of the whole team, but I made a decent contribution this time around, with a pair of new GPUs.)
 

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Here I am staring at an open-box PowerColor reference 5700 XT for $323... looking mighty appealing since I don't care much about noise under load. But I keep telling myself- wait! There is a price war looming... hopefully!
Not worth it.
 

VirtualLarry

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Not worth it.
Would a 2060 Super for $323 be worth it? Why isn't a 5700XT Reference worth it?

On one hand, "PowerColor". On the other hand, "Reference" - P.C. didn't build it, AMD/Sapphire did, so PowerColor just put their name on it, if I'm understanding "Reference" cards properly.
 

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Reference very bad, hot, loud, bad reviews for reference 5700xt. I don't see why its a good idea. Black Friday is not too far, one could probably get a good custom card for this price around that time.
 

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Reference very bad, hot, loud, bad reviews for reference 5700xt. I don't see why its a good idea. Black Friday is not too far, one could probably get a good custom card for this price around that time.

I tried one in my own case and it isn't even close to "loud"
 

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@Glo.

If those product listings are to be believed, then it will be very interesting to see how AMD will price the 5600 and 5600XT. RX590 launch price was $299, but RX5700 is very close to that price already:


I would like to see 5600XT sit at $249-$259. AMD probably doesn't agree with me.
 
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And now it appears that there might... not be RX 5600 series... Only 5500.

For sure RX 5500 XT has been leaked, but also there is talk about RX 5500 and 5500M. 5500M has 1408 ALUs(22 CUs). And we know Navi 14 has 24 CUs as full design. Which gives hope that RX 5500 XT, which will come with only 8 GB configs, looking at the leaks, at least from Gigabyte, will be full design, with 1536 ALUs.

I have to tell you guys. If AMD will NOT sell full die on desktop, I will pass on it, no matter how good value it will be. Im tired of being as a consumer milked by companies.

I am willing to pay. I don't expect miracles(like: Between GTX 1660 Ti and RTX 2060 performance for 199$). I just want product as good as it can be for the money they ask me for it.

1536 ALUs, 128 bit GDDR6, 4/8 GB(does not matter to me) for 249$, with performance equal to GTX 1660 Ti, but more efficient. That is all Im asking for.
 
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And now it appears that there might... not be RX 5600 series... Only 5500.

For sure RX 5500 XT has been leaked, but also there is talk about RX 5500 and 5500M. 5500M has 1408 ALUs(22 CUs). And we know Navi 14 has 24 CUs as full design. Which gives hope that RX 5500 XT, which will come with only 8 GB configs, looking at the leaks, at least from Gigabyte, will be full design, with 1536 ALUs.

I have to tell you guys. If AMD will NOT sell full die on desktop, I will pass on it, no matter how good value it will be. Im tired of being as a consumer milked by companies.

I am willing to pay. I don't expect miracles(like: Between GTX 1660 Ti and RTX 2060 performance for 199$). I just want product as good as it can be for the money they ask me for it.

1536 ALUs, 128 bit GDDR6, 4/8 GB(does not matter to me) for 249$, with performance equal to GTX 1660 Ti, but more efficient. That is all Im asking for.

While I haven’t followed this subject well, I 100% agree. Tired of being milked for money with incremental improvements.
I’m done, good enough has become good enough for me. I haven’t bought a video card since 2014(ish). I used to buy one every 30 months or so.
 

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Reference very bad, hot, loud, bad reviews for reference 5700xt. I don't see why its a good idea. Black Friday is not too far, one could probably get a good custom card for this price around that time.
The PowerColor plain RX 5700 XT (AIB, dual fan) is $339. That there's a good deal. Plus 3 games and 3 months Xbox Game Pass.
 
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