[Rumor, Tweaktown] AMD to launch next-gen Navi graphics cards at E3

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Glo.

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24 CU Radeon Pro 5500M with 8 GB's of GDDR6 in 16 inch MacBook Pro starts shipping next week.
 

lifeblood

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I'm curious why the general feeling out there on the rumor sites is that the 5500 XT will only have 22 CU's, same as the 5500 vanilla. Going from 4 to 8 GB of VRAM isn't going to give it much, if any, performance boost. It obvious from the Pro 5500M that it can and does have 24 CU so why would AMD not use them for the XT?
 

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Because AMD havent said anything about the RX 5500 XT. In the latest article VideoCardz said that RX 5500 XT will be full 24 CU die, with 8 GB's of GDDR6.


The difference is simple.
Navi 14 XT: 22 CUs, 4 GB's GDDR6, 1670 MHz game clock.
Navi 14 XTX: 24 CUs, 8 GB GDDDR6, 1717 MHz game clock.
 

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Just saw also on vidcardz that MSI and XFX have brought out new/revised RX 580 designs. Navi shortages perhaps?
 

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Just saw also on vidcardz that MSI and XFX have brought out new/revised RX 580 designs. Navi shortages perhaps?
Interesting. I wonder if they are based on the 12nm dies used for the RX 590. Although, I think that the RX 580 and RX 590 have the same number of SPs? I wonder what AMD has been doing with the "cut"/disabled CU dies from 12nm RX 590 production.

I've speculated in the past that we should see an "RX 575" card, based on these dies, basically a 12nm souped-up RX 570 card, just like the RX 590 was a 12nm souped-up RX 580 card.
 

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First, I was searching on Google shopping for RX 5700 and found one for $279 at Newegg. Awesome! Then I noticed it was a Vega 56. Really google? I clearly said RX 5700.

Second, if we assume that AMD will have the 5500 out in time for Black Friday then what is the last reasonable day they can launch it? I would say the Monday before (Nov 25, one week from today). However, if supplies are limited and it's a good card/value then they really don't need to launch it until Black Friday as that is the "official" start of the Christmas shopping season.

Again, assuming a Nov 25 launch the reviewers should have started to get samples by this point unless AMD are being complete jerks and only giving them a weekend to do benchmarks.
 

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Interesting. I wonder if they are based on the 12nm dies used for the RX 590. Although, I think that the RX 580 and RX 590 have the same number of SPs? I wonder what AMD has been doing with the "cut"/disabled CU dies from 12nm RX 590 production.

I've speculated in the past that we should see an "RX 575" card, based on these dies, basically a 12nm souped-up RX 570 card, just like the RX 590 was a 12nm souped-up RX 580 card.
Since it said MSI and XFX rather than AMD that implies the same GPU, just a different board & cooling design. I'll bet they're just moving to a different (ie, cheaper) board and cooling design to make manufacturing cost lower so they can keep selling those guys. The 580/570 we're good chips and certainly have some life left in them, especially in less rich nations.
 

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Since it said MSI and XFX rather than AMD that implies the same GPU, just a different board & cooling design. I'll bet they're just moving to a different (ie, cheaper) board and cooling design to make manufacturing cost lower so they can keep selling those guys. The 580/570 we're good chips and certainly have some life left in them, especially in less rich nations.
The MSI models appear to both have smaller heatsinks with the Armor version using a die cast version. First time I've seen this in a GPU with such a high TBP rating.
 

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The MSI models appear to both have smaller heatsinks with the Armor version using a die cast version. First time I've seen this in a GPU with such a high TBP rating.
Benefits of 12nm dies not clocked right to the edge like RX 590? Maybe someone should test the temps / power usage, of these "new RX 580" models. Probably a significant improvement, if they can work on a "die-cast" (or extruded) heatsink.
 

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Some RX 5500 (OEM) benchmarks have gotten out, just behind the RX 580 (OC) & 1660 (OC). Also power consumption at 133W for the 5500.

 

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I must be blind, but I don't see the GPU clock speed on the heise.de page
I can see the GDDR6 speed, but not the GPU clock...

I DON'T think this is the RX5500, but rather the RX5300 (1448 MHz part) and hence, HP labeled it correctly.
Can anyone confirm the GPU clock speed?
 

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I must be blind, but I don't see the GPU clock speed on the heise.de page
I can see the GDDR6 speed, but not the GPU clock...

I DON'T think this is the RX5500, but rather the RX5300 (1448 MHz part) and hence, HP labeled it correctly.
Can anyone confirm the GPU clock speed?

RX5300 is GDDR5 though so it can't be that. W1zzard should be able to shed some light on it in the next few days.
 

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Some RX 5500 (OEM) benchmarks have gotten out, just behind the RX 580 (OC) & 1660 (OC). Also power consumption at 133W for the 5500.

Is that the 4gb or 8gb model? Because i don't see a reason to get a 5500 4gb if RX 580 8gb is available for less with double vram while still being faster.
 

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So it looks like we’ve essentially pinned down the performance for the 5500, just behind the RX 580. The question now becomes price. The cheapest RX 580 on newegg is $160 while the cheapest GTX 1650 is $150 (which the 5500 significantly outperforms). AMD compared the 5500 to the GTX 1650 in their promo docs which tells me its price will be around $150(ish).

The 580, besides being a bit faster, has 8GB of VRAM vs the 4GB on the 5500, while the 5500 is uses significantly less power at load than the 580. Personally I think that’s a pretty good deal. It definitely raises the bar at the low end.
 

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Performance of both cards. The RX 5500 is significantly behind the gtx 1660 and far behind the gtx 1660 super. Nvidia is making this a tough launch for the rx 5500 with the launch of the gtx 1650 super. With the GTX 1650 super's overclocking potential and existing competitiveness and pricing vs the rx 5500, it is no wonder AMD is stealth launching the rx 5500 for the time being.
 

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Performance of both cards. The RX 5500 is significantly behind the gtx 1660 and far behind the gtx 1660 super. Nvidia is making this a tough launch for the rx 5500 with the launch of the gtx 1650 super. With the GTX 1650 super's overclocking potential and existing competitiveness and pricing vs the rx 5500, it is no wonder AMD is stealth launching the rx 5500 for the time being.
Where do you have reviews of RX 5500?
 

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So it looks like we’ve essentially pinned down the performance for the 5500, just behind the RX 580. The question now becomes price. The cheapest RX 580 on newegg is $160 while the cheapest GTX 1650 is $150 (which the 5500 significantly outperforms). AMD compared the 5500 to the GTX 1650 in their promo docs which tells me its price will be around $150(ish).

The 580, besides being a bit faster, has 8GB of VRAM vs the 4GB on the 5500, while the 5500 is uses significantly less power at load than the 580. Personally I think that’s a pretty good deal. It definitely raises the bar at the low end.
They cannot sell 4GB GPU in 2019 for more than 170$/€.
 

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The review of the RX 5500 is based on OEM GPU, with no optimized drivers.
 

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Looks like AMD thought that the RX 5500 would be going against the GTX 1650 when in reality it is actually going against the GTX 1650 Super.
 

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The review of the RX 5500 is based on OEM GPU, with no optimized drivers.

He's talking about the 1650 Super review at TPU and I really hope AMD has "optimized" drivers already for the 5500 since it is shipping in OEM systems. With that said, last minute driver updates right before a retail review embargo lifts aren't unheard of, but I doubt it happens or will change much this time around. We'll just have to wait and see.






 

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What makes you believe they are not based on the Heise.de review?

I can't read German but unless the Heise.de review somehow tests the exact 20 games which TPU did with the 1650 Super, it's likely that TPU has their own RX5500.

If this is the best AMD could do with a process node advantage Nvidia doesn't have much to worry about.
 
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