[Rumor, Tweaktown] AMD to launch next-gen Navi graphics cards at E3

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Shmee

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Ya, anything around 1080 Ti level is no cheaper than it was at 1080 Ti launch, and if you want more performance you are paying $1k+ for a 2080 Ti. Hopefully big Navi is not too far out and does well.
 

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And 350W TDP? lol
Not necessarily if they drop the clocks some into a saner, more power efficient range - the 5700 is pushing that front pretty far to match the 2070 in raw performance, and similar with the 5500 and its nVidia competitor.
 

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Not necessarily if they drop the clocks some into a saner, more power efficient range - the 5700 is pushing that front pretty far to match the 2070 in raw performance, and similar with the 5500 and its nVidia competitor.

Not sure what you mean by raw performance. In the techpowerup testsuite of 21 games 5700 only beats 2070 in two games at 1440p: Battlefield V by ~8% and ~3% in Strange Brigade, and only pulls within 5% of the 2070 in three others: -0.5% in Far Cry V, -3% in Metro Exodus, and -4% in Sekiro Shadows Die Twice.

 

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Not sure what you mean by raw performance. In the techpowerup testsuite of 21 games 5700 only beats 2070 in two games at 1440p: Battlefield V by ~8% and ~3% in Strange Brigade, and only pulls within 5% of the 2070 in three others: -0.5% in Far Cry V, -3% in Metro Exodus, and -4% in Sekiro Shadows Die Twice.
RX 5700 & 5500 are RDNA 1 while the later cards N21 etc are RDNA 2.

Before 5700 was released their was a rumor that the first cards were not "True" RDNA but rather a hybrid GCN/RDNA architecture and "True" RDNA would not be seen until the second generation of GPU's. I suspect this is what is actually happening. So while the GPU powering the 5700 isn't up to the task the later GPU's (N21 and up) may very well do it.

AMD is on a roll. I have a good feeling we will soon see some competition in the high end (albeit at a high dollar cost unfortunately).
 

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Not sure what you mean by raw performance. In the techpowerup testsuite of 21 games 5700 only beats 2070 in two games at 1440p: Battlefield V by ~8% and ~3% in Strange Brigade, and only pulls within 5% of the 2070 in three others: -0.5% in Far Cry V, -3% in Metro Exodus, and -4% in Sekiro Shadows Die Twice.


RX5700 is a cut down chip (NAVI 10) unlike the full chip in RTX2070 (TU106) , you have to compare the RX5700 XT (full NAVI 10) vs the RTX 2070 (Full TU106)
 

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Not sure what you mean by raw performance. In the techpowerup testsuite of 21 games 5700 only beats 2070 in two games at 1440p: Battlefield V by ~8% and ~3% in Strange Brigade, and only pulls within 5% of the 2070 in three others: -0.5% in Far Cry V, -3% in Metro Exodus, and -4% in Sekiro Shadows Die Twice.

Don't think it is fair to compare a video card with a price of $350 to a card that had a price of $500. 5700xt is a better comparison and beats the 2070 in most scenarios.
 

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Don't think it is fair to compare a video card with a price of $350 to a card that had a price of $500. 5700xt is a better comparison and beats the 2070 in most scenarios.

Was only responding to a comparison saying the RX 5700 was matching the RTX 2070.
 

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Was only responding to a comparison saying the RX 5700 was matching the RTX 2070.
it seems pretty clear from the charts the guy was talking about the XT. since that does match. and also sucks down lots of power (32% more than vanilla and more than the 2070).
 

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it seems pretty clear from the charts the guy was talking about the XT. since that does match. and also sucks down lots of power (32% more than vanilla and more than the 2070).

He was specifically talking about the 5700 using a lot less power since the post was responding to one I made about power consumption.
 

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Not sure what you mean by raw performance. In the techpowerup testsuite of 21 games 5700 only beats 2070 in two games at 1440p: Battlefield V by ~8% and ~3% in Strange Brigade, and only pulls within 5% of the 2070 in three others: -0.5% in Far Cry V, -3% in Metro Exodus, and -4% in Sekiro Shadows Die Twice.


Pick a newer review.
Even in techpowerup suite, rich in unreal engine games, RX 5700 is neck and neck with the RTX 2070 now.
 
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I just noticed something really screwy with this review on PCGAMESN:




The power draw rises as you might expect across the range of nVidia and AMD cards - but the thermal range is exactly the same across the nVidia range regardless of power draw.

Now I know each card can have an optimised thermal solution, but that sort of data correlation is just plain ridiculous - are there any other reviews that sport similar findings?
 

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Soooo RDNA driver improvement, or bad initial review practices?

How about both?
- Adrenalin 19.11.3 is faster than adrenalin 19.7.1. In several games, improvement is not a little.
- The Navi cards reviewed during launch day were reference cooler. Any data referenced about temps or acoustics using those reviews is simply obsolete, no way around it.
- Again, because of reference design vs custom cooler, newer reviews of cards sporting custom coolers can boost more aggressively.

As bonus comment, techpowerup relies on a lot of games using the same unreal 4 engine.
You test 1, you tested all of them. Those games run slow on AMD hardware. I DO understand some game engines will be used in more than one game, but testing 10 of them, which are not even that visually spectacular, raises questions about the methodology.
This side comment is just extra, so don't base an argument on it.
 

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As bonus comment, techpowerup relies on a lot of games using the same unreal 4 engine.
You test 1, you tested all of them.
I'm not sure that is 100% correct.

For many less involved/funded games I doubt a game dev studio would stray beyond the standard software and toolset of UE4 and the UDK, but I would imagine some of the better funded ones also use some custom code and shaders to augment Epic's engine and tools.

It might be interesting to get Epic's point of view on the subject to be honest, but I doubt they would divulge such details about licensees readily.

Edit: read the not argument fodder part after posting this, DOH!!!

I think it's still an important point to make though, so I'll let it stand.
 
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So we’ve reached my buy deadline and I made my purchase. I was going to get whatever reference 5700 was closest to $250 but then I saw Amazon had a custom 5700 (XFX 5700 DD Ultra) for $299. I violated my budget but decided it was worth it for a custom cooler.

Because I have an ultrawide monitor I decided I needed something more powerful than the GTX 1660 Ti.
 

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So we’ve reached my buy deadline and I made my purchase. I was going to get whatever reference 5700 was closest to $250 but then I saw Amazon had a custom 5700 (XFX 5700 DD Ultra) for $299. I violated my budget but decided it was worth it for a custom cooler.

Because I have an ultrawide monitor I decided I needed something more powerful than the GTX 1660 Ti.
I got the same card and I find it has an excellent value.

Bonus: you can register it with XFX for a 3y warranty -> http://support.xfxproducts.com/Account/Login.aspx
 

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Assuming Navi 12 is the average of 10 and 14, I'm surprised with the level of granularity of GPU sizes Radeon deemed necessary: 24, 32, 40 CU (1536, 2048, 2560 cores).
More choice, the better.

The most interesting bit for me is whether this GPU is dual Shader Engine designe, or single one...
 

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Looks like Navi 14 may not be the only Navi based GPU launching this or early 2020.

RX 5600 XT is Navi 12 based with 192 Bit GDDR6 memory bus.
I'm confused, I though Navi 12 was a HBM spin of Navi 10 for Apple Macs only?
 
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