[Rumor, Tweaktown] AMD to launch next-gen Navi graphics cards at E3

[Mopetar]

While the actual 5500 may (or may not) be a good card, the launch of the card has been a disgraceful disaster. I really can't believe AMD bungled the timeline of this launch so bad. I can only hope the reason was they couldn't get the chips from TSMC in a timely fashion. That is beyond their control and therefore understandable.

Seems like supply constraints are the most likely reason. Even if TSMC isn't giving priority to someone else, AMD has to use wafers for Zen 2 as well as their other GPUs. If you're AMD do you prioritize your entry level graphics that aren't going to have a terribly good margin or your chiplets that can go into your server and HEDT CPUs that have great margins and will probably be sold as fast as you can make them?

I'd take the other approach and argue that the launch is fine as long as the product is good and the price asked is inline with what other products. It might be another product cycle or two until AMD really gets the graphics division back into full stride. Navi is far from perfect, but it's definitely the best in terms of what AMD has been able to offer for several years now.

 

[Stuka87]

They released an OEM only RX 600 series about a year ago which was just the RX 500 series but with the newest drivers (yes, that really was their official justification). I remember commenting that all I had to do was update my drivers and I could update my signature below to RX 670.

OEM's almost demand to have new "products" every year or so. So both nVidia and AMD have changed part numbers for OEM's just to make them happy. So the OEM's "new models" dont have last models parts.

 

[beginner99]

ven if TSMC isn't giving priority to someone else, AMD has to use wafers for Zen 2 as well as their other GPUs. If you're AMD do you prioritize your entry level graphics that aren't going to have a terribly good margin or your chiplets that can go into your server and HEDT CPUs that have great margins and will probably be sold as fast as you can make them?

So true and think that is also the reason for the mediocre efforts (not enough R&D spending) in GPU division. CPUs with the chiplet design will have far, far higher margins than large die GPUs.

 

[amrnuke]

So true and think that is also the reason for the mediocre efforts (not enough R&D spending) in GPU division. CPUs with the chiplet design will have far, far higher margins than large die GPUs.

Exactly. Until they figure out a chiplet design for GPU, which architecturally seems extremely difficult (to me at least) given the type of work GPUs have to do.

The interesting thing is that even with lackluster R&D, they were able to take the same power draw as RX570-590 (and less than Vega) and produce cards that had 1.75-2 times the performance, for 1.75-2 times the cost. So Navi/RDNA seems quite promising from a scaling standpoint, and finally gives us cards that are competitive with Nvidia from a price, performance, and efficiency standpoint.

I hope they can scale Navi down well. I'm cautiously optimistic since TechPowerUp tested that OEM 5500, and it is 10% faster than 570, 3% slower than a 1650 Super. It all depends on price. Opening the 5500XT at the MSRP of the RX570 ($169) would be dumb. At $149 it's almost a slam dunk for new low-end builds, $10 cheaper than 1650S, 3% less performance, similar power draw.

 

[gdansk]

While the actual 5500 may (or may not) be a good card, the launch of the card has been a disgraceful disaster. I really can't believe AMD bungled the timeline of this launch so bad. I can only hope the reason was they couldn't get the chips from TSMC in a timely fashion. That is beyond their control and therefore understandable.

Another thing to consider: this uses the same die as the GPU in the new MacBooks. Those sell well and mobile likely get priority in the chips with low leakage. I suspect getting future contracts with Apple is important to AMD and supplying them in quantity is part of that.

 

[fleshconsumed]

So apparently amazon has 5500xt for preorder around $230. Seems like a massive pricing fail.

 

[lifeblood]

So apparently amazon has 5500xt for preorder around $230. Seems like a massive pricing fail.

Possibly. It may be a highly overclocked uber-mega-dweeb version with gold plated screws, or AMD may have poured some magic sauce (procured from the same person who sold Jack those magic beans) that really pumped up the performance, but I'm getting the feeling this launch is going to be a pricing fail.

We'll see tomorrow.

 

[lifeblood]

Amazon has two 5500 XT's for presale. One of them, the XFX card is 8GB and does not appear to be overclocked as it has the same peak clock as the OEM 5500, 1845 MHz. Amazon is charging $229 for it.

Assuming no performance difference from the OEM version this really is a massive pricing fail. The RX 580 8GB launched at the same MSRP of $229 yet the 5500 XT is roughly 3% slower.

If this is true than AMD might as well not bother launching. The 1650 Super is going to clean it's clock in sales, at least until Nvidia raises the price on it as it doesn't have any competition.

 

[amrnuke]

So apparently amazon has 5500xt for preorder around $230. Seems like a massive pricing fail.

Indeed, when the 1650S costs $70 less, uses less power under peak gaming / Furmark, and is faster at 1440p gaming.

 

[mohit9206]

AMD - Another Major Disaster

 

[Glo.]

AMD Radeon RX 5500 XT to launch at 169 USD (4GB) and 199 USD (8GB) - VideoCardz.com

AMD is set to launch Radeon RX 5500 XT at 169 USD. AMD Radeon RX 5500 XT to battle GeForce GTX series The Radeon RX 5500 XT will be available with two memory options. We have confirmed that the 4GB model will retail at around 169 USD and an 8GB variant will cost at least […]

videocardz.com

 

[Bouowmx]

Slower to similar performance on average, more expensive, more power consumption: gg (versus GeForce GTX 1650 S)

Unless 8 GB RAM on a 'slow' GPU works.

 

[amrnuke]

AMD Radeon RX 5500 XT to launch at 169 USD (4GB) and 199 USD (8GB) - VideoCardz.com

AMD is set to launch Radeon RX 5500 XT at 169 USD. AMD Radeon RX 5500 XT to battle GeForce GTX series The Radeon RX 5500 XT will be available with two memory options. We have confirmed that the 4GB model will retail at around 169 USD and an 8GB variant will cost at least […]

videocardz.com

That's disappointing if true.

Unless, of course, the 5500XT actually comes out and beats the 1650S in benchmarks. In which case all bets are off. I'll wait for benchmarks, I guess, before becoming too puzzled by this.

 

[guachi]

While I think the performance is too low in 2019/2020, the 1650 Super entered at a surprisingly competitive price from Nvidia. I expected the same thing we got from basically every other card launch from them - priced too high.

At the sub-$200 mark it looks like the card to get if you can't get a used 570/580 for $100.

 

[alexruiz]

Well, only one more day to find out.

I am wondering if the Radeon Adrenalin 2020 will greatly impact performance.
If so, it might justify the tentative prices.

 

[fleshconsumed]

FYI Newegg has 4Gb XFX 570 for $100 after MIR.

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

We'll know for sure tomorrow, but given preliminary performance leaks 5500/500XT is massively overpriced.

 

[kawi6rr]

Computer Base has an article stating $150 4g - $199 8g.

 

[Head1985]

Another overpriced garbage.This time they will sell rx460/560 successor for 170-200usd

btw rx560 launched at 99usd.
I really want to know who choose prices for GPU and CPU.Because that cant be same person.Why AMD can release faster cpus at almost half price vs intel but cant do same with GPUS?Its like they have deal with nvidia to keep prices high.

 

[mohit9206]

Another overpriced garbage.This time they will sell rx460/560 successor for 170-200usd

btw rx560 launched at 99usd.
I really want to know who choose prices for GPU and CPU.Because that cant be same person.Why AMD can release faster cpus at almost half price vs intel but cant do same with GPUS?Its like they have deal with nvidia to keep prices high.

Yea its ridiculous. They are also selling Polaris successor for $400 and everyone is eating it up like its a great deal. People will eat this up too cuz muh low power consumption.

 

[lifeblood]

It’s just past 7am EST and no reviews. Any idea whenever they’re supposed to go live?

 

[arandomguy]

9am EST is the most common embargo lift time.

 

[Shivansps]

The core issue here is AMD increased the price of their cards as a counter to NV's. If you go back to what was it 2012? When the GTX 680 launched at $500 and on the technical side it should have been the $300 GTX x60 replacement NOT the $500 GTX x80 replacement. NV got egg on their face, but luckily for them AMD's own gaff of increasing the price of their X790 card from ~$380 to $550 with the HD 7970 NV saved face and out performing it for less left AMD holding the bag.

Fast forward to these cards where you can even see it in this thread, people were asking if AMD prices their clearly RX x80 replacement at $400+ where does that leave the RX x60 and lower cards' eventual replacement?

AMD is showing they are going to price match NV and consumers be damned. Only issue is NV can stack the SKUs in their favor where as AMD's second GPU will have to trade blows with NV's already over saturated line up and their own previous line up that already covered the hole these replacements are intended to compete in. Throw in the node difference and you got AtenRa's post.

If the x80 replacements doubled in price, of course the x60 replacements will also double in price. And here we are.

Ive been telling this since RX5700XT launched, or should i say "RX690" acording to AMD slides?

AMD is price matching NV the rest is not their problem. AMD and Nvidia are going to destroy PC gaming if this bs is not stopped before PS5 launch.

 

[Head1985]

MSI 5500XT 8GB msrp 240usd 1660super is 21%faster and cheaper LOL AMD

MSI Radeon RX 5500 XT Gaming X 8 GB Review

The MSI Radeon RX 5500 XT Gaming X features twice the VRAM of the 4 GB OEM model, which we found to make a surprising difference in games, even at 1080p. As expected, the card includes an extremely quiet cooler, idle-fan-stop, and a backplate.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[sontin]

How is nVidia "destryoing" PC gaming when they are the only one pushing it forward? AMD released a new GPU which can only match a 3 1/2 year old GTX1060.

Navi is outdated, has absolut no new features, doesnt advanced pc gaming or support functions like VRR-HDMI. It is a product for a dying console cycle. On the other hand nVidia put new features into the hands of developer to start designing engines for the future.

 

[amrnuke]

Yea its ridiculous. They are also selling Polaris successor for $400 and everyone is eating it up like its a great deal. People will eat this up too cuz muh low power consumption.

Polaris die is 232mm2, 1 month after RX570/580 release (4/2017) yields were reported 80% on their 8-core Zen chips (~9.67x22mm), which was a defect rate of 0.105, and when you calculate Polaris yields (~17.5x13.25mm) based on that defect rate you get a 14nm yield for Polaris to be 78%.

Navi die is 251mm2, presently, 7nm defect rate reported as 0.09, hence we get a yield of 80% for a die of Navi dimension (~17.95x14mm).

AMD have said that 7nm costs 1.75-2x as much as 14nm.

And they were able to scale performance on the same die up by the same amount as the new process costs (1.75-2x).

Why shouldn't they sell it for almost twice as much if it performs almost twice as well and the process costs almost twice as much, and yields are about the same?

Edit: Now, sure, we can go back and examine the RX400 series to RX500 series price increase. But to claim that the intrinsic problem is that the Polaris successor is pricey completely ignores a lot of other issues surrounding it. Such as that it is cheaper per FPS than Nvidia, and AMD are a for-profit company, and that the pricing is in-line with Polaris with respect to performance.