[Rumor, Tweaktown] AMD to launch next-gen Navi graphics cards at E3

[itsmydamnation]

that's terrible pricing

 

[Paul98]

Looks good, but feels like 50 bucks less would really sell them.

Will be more interesting when we see third party and what clocks can be had when not using the blower and properly setup.

 

[tviceman]

Looks like 5-10% better than the RTX 2070 for $30 less than what the cheapest RTX 2070's currently go for. That's a win, but a ~250mm2 chips now sell for $450. All the Nvidia haters better pull their pitch forks out with this pricing scheme.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Looks good, but feels like 50 bucks less would really sell them.

Pretty much.

379$ for RTX 2070 performance is a bad deal?

Laughable.

$379 is for 2060-level performance. Not 2070.

 

[Glo.]

$379 is for 2060-level performance. Not 2070.

Performance delta suggests we are looking at 90-95% of RTX 2070.

 

[Jaskalas]

So Nvidia largely skipped price / performance increases for a generation. AMD is now matching that price / performance level.

Shame, that won't convince anyone to switch.

 

[linkgoron]

Should've been AT MOST $400 and $300. $450 and $380? Extremely disappointing. AMD essentially price matching Nvidia, like they did with the Radeon 7.

 

[ElFenix]

they're basically just slightly undercutting nvidia pricing. make some profit when you can, i guess.

 

[Glo.]

Should've been AT MOST $400 and $300. $450 and $380? Extremely disappointing. AMD essentially price matching Nvidia, like they did with the Radeon 7.

They are not cheap option anymore.

 

[Head1985]

Should've been AT MOST $400 and $300. $450 and $380? Extremely disappointing. AMD essentially price matching Nvidia, like they did with the Radeon 7.

RIP PC gaming

 

[crisium]

$449 for 5700 XT is good. Undercuts the 2070, and is a hair faster. If you don't want RTRT, it's looking like the better buy.

$379 for 5700 is a fair price, a bit more than the 2060 but certainly faster. Only an $80 difference to upgrade to the XT though. $350 would have been better to more cleanly kill the 2060 dead (since RTRT is useless on such a slow GPU unless you are only playing Quake 2), but it looks like the extra $30 is well spent if the benchmarks are mostly accurate.

 

[ozzy702]

I wonder how much profit is built into these cards and how much 7nm plays into that price. Pricing is about what I expected, anyone expecting AMD to seriously undercut NVIDIA is going to be disappointed. It'll be interesting to see how they sell and how quickly prices drop.

 

[JasonLD]

The days of new GPUs shaking up price/performance is over. I guess with increasing prices with new nodes and custom PC market shrinking and increasingly becoming niche, I guess it was inevitable.

 

[railven]

I don't know why I sit through the E3 PC gaming show. It's never entertaining, I feel like PC gets all the crumb games, and their stage seems to get smaller and smaller with each passing year. Shoot, AMD wasn't even really at it as I was expecting, I had to wait for their own demo (which was far better so kudos to them for skipping the E3 PC Gaming show.)

Price is better than I expected, now to see how much NV responds. AMD is back! Sort of! But more options are always better!*

 

[DrMrLordX]

They are not cheap option anymore.

Can't say that until you take the performance crown, which they didn't.

AMD essentially price matching Nvidia, like they did with the Radeon 7.

Only with Radeon VII, BoM had to be through the roof. I also wonder (like @ozzy702 ) about the profit margin on these cards. It is disappointing that AMD can't understand how much those prices will hurt their sales and overall profit levels.

 

[Head1985]

$449 for 5700 XT is good. Undercuts the 2070, and is a hair faster. If you don't want RTRT, it's looking like the better buy.

$379 for 5700 is a fair price, a bit more than the 2060 but certainly faster. Only an $80 difference to upgrade to the XT though. $350 would have been better to more cleanly kill the 2060 dead (since RTRT is useless on such a slow GPU unless you are only playing Quake 2), but it looks like the extra $30 is well spent if the benchmarks are mostly accurate.

RTX is overpriced garbage at first place.Worst cards in history probably because they launched with worse price/perf than 3years old pascal.
This is pretty much disaster for PC gaming.250mm2 DIE with garbage blower for 450usd WTF.This should cost bellow 300usd just like polaris.

 

[soresu]

Was it just me, or did they purposely not mention TDP?

I probably missed due to my terrible sight and memory, I hope.

 

[linkgoron]

They are not cheap option anymore.

AMD haven't been the cheap option since forever (sans Polaris RX 580 and lower). However, they've always had "something" which supposedly caused high prices: HBM/2, or the huge Vega 64 chip.

Here, they have a small chip (251mm^2) card for $450? Yeah, it's on 7nm but it still shouldn't cost so much. Pricing on GPUs has been horrible for years.

Edit: die size fix.

 

[DrMrLordX]

This should cost bellow 300usd just like polaris.

The cards look okay for what they are. The problem is that AMD has stranded the sub-$300 market completely. Now it's 1660Ti or bust. AMD won't save you, midrange gamer.

 

[crisium]

This is pretty much disaster for PC gaming.250mm2 DIE with garbage blower for 450usd WTF.This should cost bellow 300usd just like polaris.

Is the size confirmed? That's horrific from historical standards, you're right.

 

[Glo.]

$449 for 5700 XT is good. Undercuts the 2070, and is a hair faster. If you don't want RTRT, it's looking like the better buy.

$379 for 5700 is a fair price, a bit more than the 2060 but certainly faster.

Its ok. Not great, but not bad either.

Can't say that until you take the performance crown, which they didn't.

They don't have to. Its enough they got the price market leadership.

RTX is overpriced garbade at first place.Worst cards in history probably because they launched with worse price/perf than 3years old pascal.
This is pretty much disaster for PC gaming.250mm2 DIE with garbage blower for 450usd WTF.This should cost bellow 300usd just like polaris.

What did you expected? That they will undercut Nvidia massively and hurt themselves at the same time?

AMD haven't been the cheap option since forever (sans Polaris RX 580 and lower). However, they've always had "something" which supposedly caused high prices: HBM/2, or the huge Vega 64 chip.

Here, they have a relatively small chip (275mm^2) card for $450? Yeah, it's on 7nm but it still shouldn't cost so much. Pricing on GPUs has been horrible for years.

Again. What did you guys expected?

Is the size confirmed? That's horrific from historical standards, you're right.

Yes, it is 250 mm2.

Ohhhh, the price margin will be healthy!

 

[JasonLD]

RTX is overpriced garbade at first place.Worst cards in history probably because they launched with worse price/perf than 3years old pascal.
This is pretty much disaster for PC gaming.250mm2 DIE with garbage blower for 450usd WTF.This should cost bellow 300usd just like polaris.

Well, to be fair, without the mining demand, discrete GPU market is getting smaller and smaller. If you can only sell a certain amount of limit, it is better to maximize profits rather than spark a price war and fight over tiny profits.

 

[JDG1980]

That price point is disgusting. It should be a $329 card at most, given the lack of RT/DLSS, proper OpenGL support, and sky-high TDP.

 

[Glo.]

The cards look okay for what they are. The problem is that AMD has stranded the sub-$300 market completely. Now it's 1660Ti or bust. AMD won't save you, midrange gamer.

Pretty much this. In September there will be second GPU release. Small Navi, to be precise. And that MIGHT compete with it(actually it will be between GTX 1660 Ti and GTX 1660. But also don't expect cheap/low prices, unless - Nvidia will do something about it.

 

[DrMrLordX]

They don't have to. Its enough they got the price market leadership.

Since when? That isn't "price market leadership", whatever that really is.

5700 vanilla is already $50 more than its direct competitor, and NV hasn't even cut prices yet. I'll believe "90% of 2070" when it shows up in the benchmarks. AMD didn't even make that comparison.

proper OpenGL support.

Isn't OpenGL at least semi-officially deprecated? Games don't use it anymore, at least not in Windows.