Don't expect miracles for Nvidia GPUs on 7 nm process. They might not be more power efficient than AMD's GPUs.
Don't expect miracles for Nvidia GPUs on 7 nm process. They might not be more power efficient than AMD's GPUs.Not want to pour rain on your parade. But a 7nm TU106 should be about similar sized, while allocating 20% gates to RT and Tensor and being much more power efficient. So Navi is nowhere near as good as Turing architecture wise - not even close.
20% gates my arse..........
maybe 20% of the SM, not that i have seen a real die shot but traditionally ALU's make up ~1/3 of a GPU.
Don't expect miracles for Nvidia GPUs on 7 nm process. They might not be more power efficient than AMD's GPUs.
That term is pretty vague alright. I'll say best performance and best performance/$.
If people are crapping all over Navi for being underwhelming, as an architecture, then it would also be wise to remember that neither Sony nor Microsoft would pick a crappy architecture for their consoles which will sell in the 100's of millions of units. Just wouldn't happen. Clearly AMD is doing something right.
Here you go.Link to all the reviews confirming best performance and best performance per dollar for the 5700/xt?
Thanks in advance!
If you would know TSMC's process very well you would know to not expect any miracle from this process.I am expecting nothing more than the process gains at the moment - which is far from being a miracle. Since i know TSMC N7 very well, i am taking this as reference and not Samsung.
Don't expect miracles for Nvidia GPUs on 7 nm process. They might not be more power efficient than AMD's GPUs.
AMD's slide deck indicates that Navi 10 with 40 CUs has 23% lower power draw, than 40 CU Vega 64 chip.The RTX 2070 has a real-world total board power of 200W based on testing. AMD's slide deck makes it clear that the RX 5700 XT has a total board power of 225W, and performance is supposed to be maybe 10% better than the 2070. If AMD's data can be believed (and we have to assume it's a best-case scenario), then RX 5700 XT falls just short of RTX 2070 in perf/watt. That being the case, it's hard to see how Nvidia's 7nm GPUs will not be more power efficient than Navi - that would require an actual regression in perf/watt, which almost never happens on a node shrink.
The Navi is fine as a gpu, the price is crap. What next? midrange gpus for 800-1000? There is no reason for the 5700XT to cost over $300, that is it.
Either AMD wants to make some big fat margins here OR Sony does not allow AMD to sell this card for less, choose your poison. I belive there will be no big margins to be had here, as no one should buy these overpriced cards.
I hope Navi is the biggest failure in AMD history, they deserve it, not because the GPU itselt is bad, because they are getting too greedy and this needs to be stop NOW, no more excuses.
Okay...what is your evidence?When it goes to clock/voltage/power draw. What If I told you that if Nvidia wants to maintain clocks on RTX GPUs they will have to enjoy THE SAME power draw as on 12 nm FF? So the only benefit would be reduction in die size.
When it goes to clock/voltage/power draw. What If I told you that if Nvidia wants to maintain clocks on RTX GPUs they will have to enjoy THE SAME power draw as on 12 nm FF? So the only benefit would be reduction in die size.
Link to all the reviews confirming best performance and best performance per dollar for the 5700/xt?
Thanks in advance!
AMD's slide deck indicates that Navi 10 with 40 CUs has 23% lower power draw, than 40 CU Vega 64 chip.
Whatever that means.
When it goes to clock/voltage/power draw. What If I told you that if Nvidia wants to maintain clocks on RTX GPUs they will have to enjoy THE SAME power draw as on 12 nm FF? So the only benefit would be reduction in die size.
And in what way does the above change that them choosing Navi shows it isn't a crappy GPU?
Last time AMD undercut NV at launch was with 390x back in 2015.Since then they just just copy Nv prices no matter how crazy overpriced shit nv release.Thats not competition.Competition is what they doing in cpu sector.In GPU secror they price fixing.2. Cartel...
Navi looks to be an amazing architecture.
Its nice because since Vega was released on 7nm we can compare Vega to Navi on the same process. Vega 20 is 331 mm², and Navi 10 is 251 mm². That makes Vega 32% larger, yet from what we know performance will be very close. Geforce 2070 (TU106 ) is 445 mm². TU106 is 77% larger and performance, we are led to believe, is ever so slightly behind Navi 10. Let's call them equal in performance. So yes, NVIDIA has yet to use its node-jump, they are also on their brand new architecture Turing, which I doubt will get changed much due to the sudden important of RTX.
Far and away the most important caveat here is that we are comparing TSMC's 12nm to their 7nm process. NVIDIA will be hopping over to Samsung's 7nm not because of performance or density scaling, but cost - as reported by multiple sources.
AMD's midrange 241 mm² Navi 10 die equaling NVIDIA's 445 mm² die means that NVIDIA will at best match them if they are able to take full advantage of 7nm. Navi looks to be an excellent architecture.
We know that even with AMD's own performance figures, Navi isn't as efficient in perf/w as Turing. Fact.
ehhh.. fortunately? For whom exactly???Fortunately Nvidia is a publicly traded company and the investors care about the bottom line and not your personal opinion.
still, totally regardless of navi... why is there a reason for the 2070 to cost more than $300? Who is greedy?The Navi is fine as a gpu, the price is crap. What next? midrange gpus for 800-1000? There is no reason for the 5700XT to cost over $300, that is it.
Either AMD wants to make some big fat margins here OR Sony does not allow AMD to sell this card for less, choose your poison. I belive there will be no big margins to be had here, as no one should buy these overpriced cards.
I hope Navi is the biggest failure in AMD history, they deserve it, not because the GPU itselt is bad, because they are getting too greedy and this needs to be stop NOW, no more excuses.
still, totally regardless of navi... why is there a reason for the 2070 to cost more than $300? Who is greedy?
still, totally regardless of navi... why is there a reason for the 2070 to cost more than $300? Who is greedy?
the RTX line is expensive and everyone noticed it since their launch last year, but their justification was the added features like ray tracing, the die size of the 2070 is fairly large, 445mm2, for example Vega 64 was 495mm2, and the 1080 only 314mm2
and they sell the cut down version for a more reasonable price (2060)
Navi clearly is a more efficient GPU than what AMD offered before, but the benefit in price for the consumer is not really there.
NV is of course the real culprit here. We all know that. But if you as the competition show up 9 month late and offer no real advancement in performance/$ while also having less features, that is pretty disappointing. In tech it's expected that with time you get more performance for your money. Plus the RTX 2070 was already the worst priced part to begin with.
Why don't just quote the posts yourslelf instead of inviting the forum to search for them?Please both of you read back the posts from @Shivansps