[Rumor, Tweaktown] AMD to launch next-gen Navi graphics cards at E3

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guachi

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I think instead of lowering prices would be to have bundles where you get $50-100 off when purchased with a Ryzen 3000 series. It's a response that neither Intel nor Nvidia can counter.
 
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I think instead of lowering prices would be to have bundles where you get $50-100 off when purchased with a Ryzen 3000 series. It's a response that neither Intel nor Nvidia can counter.
They have tended to do that if you include the cost of the game bundles they include with GPU's, some of them easily worth $100, even on a RX 580/570 which are low priced atm, probably $80 when you factor in the RRP of the bundled games
 

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I think instead of lowering prices would be to have bundles where you get $50-100 off when purchased with a Ryzen 3000 series. It's a response that neither Intel nor Nvidia can counter.
Why do I get the felling that if cat is out of the bag, they will do both: lower the GPU prices(P.S. they did, its official now), and bundle them with their CPUs.
 

guachi

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Wow. At E3 I said the Navi cards were a touch too high and needed a $30 price reduction.

Let's hope that Sunday shows good results for Navi and this isn't a panic response but a response from strength.
 

ozzy702

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I wonder if AMD is supply constrained on these NAVI chips. I also wonder how long it will take before we see more price drops. Turing and NAVI are both too expensive to lure Pascal owners and lets face it, NAVI at even the reduced prices aren't going to sell well and won't stop the decreasing market share trend that we've seen for several years now.
 

JDG1980

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Now onto launch day drivers, which I also expect to be good.
2 more days

There has never been a single time when AMD's launch drivers for a GPU resulted in a substantial improvement over leaked benchmarks. People held out the same hopes for Fiji, Polaris, and Vega - all to no avail.
 

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I think the price drop is the way to go, it's a lot more effective than bundles, the value of bundles can be more subjective, and the price drop will certainly make the launch reviews more favorable.
and it was completely needed, specially after the Super cards were revealed,

I really think that they should've targeted $299 at least for the non XT, but...
 

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Let's hope that Sunday shows good results for Navi and this isn't a panic response but a response from strength.

I'm not sure if you're coming from a position of strength when you price cut your product before it's released and worse before it's even reviewed. That's sort of an admission in itself. Throw in rushing out a new driver 2 days before launch.

Announcing RX 5700 at the prices they did is a sign of strength. Scrambling to save face 2 days before reviews are out is definition to me of a panic response.

Now, I'm not saying the cards aren't great. I'm more saying, AMD knows enough about their products that if nothing had changed, they'd have a bad launch.
 

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While this a better price than before, i dont undertand how this is better value AT ALL, at E3 they presented a GPU that was targeting the RTX2070 perf for $50 less... this was already bad for a number of reasons.

Now they are targeting the RTX2060 Super perf at $400 for the EXACT SAME PRICE. I rather buy the 2060s, specially with Cyberpunk coming out next year. Nvidia INCREASED THE PRICE OF THE 2060 and forced AMD to lower Navi 10 prices. This is beyond crazy, i belive these Navis are still overpriced by $50 to $100.
 

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I think instead of lowering prices would be to have bundles where you get $50-100 off when purchased with a Ryzen 3000 series. It's a response that neither Intel nor Nvidia can counter.

Observe the game bundles with AMD cards right now. In January/February you were getting DMC5, RE:2, and Division 2. Now it's down to Division 2 (Gold this time) and . . . World War Z? I am thinking AMD opened up some room for price cuts by cutting down on the game bundle a bit. That and they were baiting us with bad prices.

While this a better price than before, i dont undertand how this is better value AT ALL

Okay so Navi is still overpriced. It's still $50 less. If speculation about the 5700 is correct, you just buy one of those and overclock it (5700XT probably has less headroom). Done deal. $349 isn't a great price for midrange, but it's approachable. And if NV cuts prices again, maybe we'll finally fall back from the inflated mining prices we saw in the recent past. That would be good for everyone.
 
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Shivansps

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Okay so Navi is still overpriced. It's still $50 less. If speculation about the 5700 is correct, you just buy one of those and overclock it (5700XT probably has less headroom). Done deal. $349 isn't a great price for midrange, but it's approachable. And if NV cuts prices again, maybe we'll finally fall back from the inflated mining prices we saw in the recent past. That would be good for everyone.

Well yes, but i need to see reviews and OC results first. It is clear that the $350 RX5700 seem to be a much better value than the non super RTX2060, Even trought they are both overpriced.
 

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While this a better price than before, i dont undertand how this is better value AT ALL, at E3 they presented a GPU that was targeting the RTX2070 perf for $50 less... this was already bad for a number of reasons.

Now they are targeting the RTX2060 Super perf at $400 for the EXACT SAME PRICE. I rather buy the 2060s, specially with Cyberpunk coming out next year. Nvidia INCREASED THE PRICE OF THE 2060 and forced AMD to lower Navi 10 prices. This is beyond crazy, i belive these Navis are still overpriced by $50 to $100.
So RTX 2070 Super performance for 100$ is bad deal? RTX 2060 Super for 50$ less is a bad deal?
 

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Thank you Nvidia!

You guys that blamed Nvidia for AMD's prices will now be thanking them right? Right?

Or was it as I said, AMD sets their prices, not Nvidia.
 

Phynaz

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Now all they have to do is do away with the GameWorks thing, open up NVLink to PCI-SIG, open-source CUDA, and um hmm stop selling $1300 consumer graphics cards, and I'll thank them.

So you're only happy Nvidia put the smack down on AMD so you could buy AMD cheaper.

How is that any different than the people that want competition from AMD only so they can buy Nvidia cheaper?
 

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There has never been a single time when AMD's launch drivers for a GPU resulted in a substantial improvement over leaked benchmarks. People held out the same hopes for Fiji, Polaris, and Vega - all to no avail.
I think he just meant they won't generally suck, which they did many times.
 

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Me on Sunday when reviews drop and i start looking into them.



There could be some ultra violence after the reviews though. Me i will keep options open. My money is on navi delivering though.
 
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Glo.

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So you're only happy Nvidia put the smack down on AMD so you could buy AMD cheaper.

How is that any different than the people that want competition from AMD only so they can buy Nvidia cheaper?
Did Nvidia put the smack down on AMD? Or its AMD who is putting the smack down on Nvidia?
 

DrMrLordX

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So you're only happy Nvidia put the smack down on AMD so you could buy AMD cheaper.

How is that any different than the people that want competition from AMD only so they can buy Nvidia cheaper?

Personally, I'm not buying anything for awhile.

Otherwise, the answer is "yes". I want them both to make it easier for everyone to buy the other company's cards. It's called competition. And the jury is out on who is smacking down whom. Personally, I don't much care. Just get those prices down.

I think he just meant they won't generally suck, which they did many times.

Also this.
 
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Otherwise, the answer is "yes". I want them both to make it easier for everyone to buy the other company's cards. It's called competition.

The $50 price drop just barely allows me to afford the 5700XT in August. When i mean barely there is perhaps $30 of wiggle room if a $430 after market card drops. If it doesn't deliver or there is a hefty price premium i could always fall back to September and i got options that even include the rumored 2080 Super. I rather take the $300 saved getting a 5700XT over a 2080 Super and put it into a box and be a bit ahead on a next generation cards savings. The 2080 Super could be beast and well worth it but i think that's unlikely.

Between now and August i am sure i could allocate even more funds to warrant the 2070 Super if Navi fails. Then i would have more options then a fat man at a Home Town Buffet especially if i wait till September.
 

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When AMD announced the pricing, I stated here that they set a price fully intending to drop it after nVidia set their pricing on the S models. So I am not surprised that they dropped the price. But its good for consumers.
 
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When AMD announced the pricing, I stated here that they set a price fully intending to drop it after nVidia set their pricing on the S models. So I am not surprised that they dropped the price. But its good for consumers.

Yup. AMD by being so late to the game was always going to have to deal with NV raining on their launch. By announcing high they positioned themselves to still have decent margins after the price cuts to deal with NVs play.

I think it’s the best move AMD could make based on the hand they dealt themselves.
 
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