[Rumor (Various)] AMD R7/9 3xx / Fiji / Fury

monstercameron

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http://videocardz.com/56154/amd-radeon-r7-370-leaked
The brand new design, somewhat similar to GeForce GTX 760 cooler, has been published at Chinese forums. It’s the first actual confirmation of that this card exists, and most important, not it’s not an OEM version. The OEM version is Radeon R9 370.

The new cooler is slightly longer than the PCB, which probably means AMD has spent some time improving cooling efficiency of its new series. Also the meshy cooler shroud seems to be similar to one we know from leaked Radeon Fury pictures. Apart from that we can’t really see all the details on this blurry picture, but it does seem Radeon R7 370 has one 6pin power connector and one CrossFire finger.

Radeon R7 370 could either be based on Radeon R9 270 or R9 270X. Based on my information we are looking at cosmetic clock speed improvement — 10-100 MHz on the core and 25 MHz on memory (depending if this is non-X or X rebrand).

The Radeon R7 370 is supposedly based on Curacao/Pitcairn silicon. It most likely has 1280 Stream cores and 2 GB memory. It’s the oldest graphics processor in Radeon R9 300 series.


http://fudzilla.com/news/graphics/37940-fiji-xt-has-water-cooler
We saw how the Fiji XT card looks. AMD shared some data and the dummy cards with its partners who wanted to examine the custom cooling.

Fiji XT card features quite large GPU surrounded by four memory chips. This is nothing that surprised us, as we have been saying this for a while. The GPU with interposer measures 55mm x 55mm,while the card length is around 190mm or 7.5 inches.

In late April, we mentioned that the card will end up shorter than traditional high end cards. For reference, the Radeon R9 290X measures almost 11 inches or 279 mm in its short iteration, and with custom coolers it expands to 305 mm or 12 inches. The Geforce GTX 980 TI is 10.5 inches / 266 mm long.

There is a catch, as the Fiji watercooler is not on the card. It adds additional length but it usually mounts above the card, in a designated place in your chassis. It should fit most 120mm fan mounts that every gaming case has.


http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-300-series-pricing-confirmed-aggressive/
hours ago by Khalid Moammer
Pricing for AMD’s entire Radeon 300 series has been leaked and it’s showing major performance per dollar improvements across the board. Today’s leak is a little bit different, we’re bringing you an exclusive look at the pricing for the red team’s upcoming 300 series of discrete graphics cards. We’ve managed to confirm these prices directly through our own sources. . In fact we’re confident enough in the legitimacy of the information which our sources have provided that we’ve decided to drop the rumor tag.
AMD Radeon 300 Series
The pricing structure is very different from the one that we’ve seen with the Sweclockers rumor that we had covered five days ago. In fact the previously rumored prices were so irrationally high, that they prompted me to dedicate an entire paragraph to underline my skepticism. It has now become evidently clear that my doubts were not misplaced. But I digress, so without any further delay let’s take a look at the actual pricing structure for the Radeon 300 series as they were confirmed through our sources.
AMD Radeon 300 Series Pricing Confirmed – Very Aggressive Performance Per Dollar Focused Positioning
For anyone that’s paid attention to the discrete graphics business, even if for short a while, an aggressive performance per dollar focus from the red team will not surprise you at all. In fact many would argue that it’s been the mantra for Radeon. Providing users with performance that would otherwise only be accessible for a significantly larger premium from the green team.
Segment Graphics Card GPU MSRP
Enthusiast R9 390X 8GB Enhanced Hawaii XT $389
Enthusiast R9 390 8GB Enhanced Hawaii Pro $329
Performance R9 380X 3GB/6GB
(NOT CONFIRMED) Tonga XT -
Performance R9 380 4GB
Tonga Pro $235
Performance R9 380 2GB Tonga Pro $195
Performance R7 370 4GB Pitcairn $175
Performance R7 370 2GB Pitcairn $135
Performance R7 360 2GB Bonaire $107
AMD’s Hawaii is returning with higher clock speeds and double the VRAM. The R9 390X, replacing the R9 290X, will undoubtedly be faster than its predecessor. The higher clock speeds for the GPU core will likely enable the card to completely close the gap with the GTX 970 at 1920×1080. The doubling of memory capacity and the faster GDDR5 VRAM frequencies will enable the card to distance itself even further from the GTX 970 at higher resolutions in which the R9 290X is already ahead.
The fact that Nvidia has yet to show any interest in introducing 8GB versions of its GM204 based GTX 980 and GTX 970 cards means that users who need the higher memory capacity for multi-GPU setups driving high resolution monitors will find solace in the R9 390 series. Combine all of these advantages and $389 for the R9 390X 8GB is actually a worthy proposition. It’s priced close enough to the GTX 970 for users to contemplate moving up to the R9 390X. And it’s noticeably less expensive than the GTX 980 for users to consider the value proposition. A better deal however is perhaps the R9 390 8GB which is even less expensive at $329.
The card replaces current R9 290 4GB cards, of which there are no 8GB variants. Hawaii Pro only has 9% fewer GCN units compared to the fully unlocked Hawaii XT powering the R9 390X/290X cards. However despite that and the lower clock speed the chip actually performs much closer to its fully unlocked variant than you’d think. Often only trailing Hawaii XT by 5-6%. Couple that with a $60 / 15% price difference and you’ve got a major performance per dollar winner.
Going further down the food chain we find Tonga, AMD’s most recent GPU to date. Tonga Pro with 1792 GCN stream processors will debut at $195 as a direct competitor for the GTX 960. If you’re wondering how this card is going to perform all you need to do is take a look at the R9 285’s performance and add it 5-10% to it thanks to the higher clock speeds. The R9 285 has already put on a good show, especially when put against its main competition the GTX 960. But more interesting is Tonga XT, with 2048 GCN stream processors and a 384bit interface. AMD never launched this chip under the Radeon 200 series so we may finally see it with the 300 series. Although we were not able to confirm whether AMD’s going to launch this chip at their E3 event next week or not. So we’ll have to wait and see.
Tonga is actually a very capable chip and a fully unlocked version would be very desirable. AMD introduced significant improvements to the GCN microarchitecture with Tonga which enabled the chip to outperform its predecessor, Tahiti, despite having a lower clock speed and 33% less memory bandwidth. An R9 380X with a 384bit interface, 2048 SPs and a clock speed north of 1000Mhz will hold its own at $249. Especially considering that it can address the huge $130 market gap that exists between the GTX 970/R9 390 and the GTX 960/R9 380.


Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-300-series-pricing-confirmed-aggressive/#ixzz3cUBagPfi


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n0x1ous

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definitely an improvement in looks for the reference blower. Hopefully the performance and acoustics are also improved
 

Glo.

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Has anyone seen that nomenclature for 370? Its R7, not R9.

Maybe we will see big changes in nomenclature of AMD cards? If its a Pitcairn it should have 1024 GCN cores, the same which was in R9 265, or OEM R9 370.
 

tential

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Lol I seriously can believe people expected 500 for a gtx 980 competitor.
Ugh so much rumor I want this to be over already and to have full reviews.
 

shady28

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On the "R7 370" -

From the article :

"...it does seem Radeon R7 370 has one 6pin power connector"

This means its use case is the same as the older GTX 660 and newer GTX 960. ie, 75-150W single 6-pin 400W-500W systems.

They are trying to compare it to the 750 Ti, which is a sub 75W no 6-pin card.

With a mere 20% boost vs the 750Ti, this card is filling a price / performance gap between the 750 Ti and the 960 where Nvidia doesn't really have a presence. Same slot that the R7 265 used to fill. In fact, it's probably an R7 265 re-badge with a new cooler.

AMD really needs something to match or beat the 750Ti without a 6-pin to be newsworthy.
 

Zstream

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Lol I seriously can believe people expected 500 for a gtx 980 competitor.
Ugh so much rumor I want this to be over already and to have full reviews.

Maybe we're reading different rumor sites but Hawaii XT is at $389 msrp. I don't believe we've seen fiji pricing as of yet so I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion?
 

bystander36

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I'm a bit confused by the last article. They are mentioning Hawaii refreshes that have faster DDR5 clocks. Does that mean this does not include the Fiji GPU's that are still in the works? They talked about how the premium pricing was abandoned, but they don't appear to be showing anything about the premium GPU(s).
 

Jaydip

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Yup was thinking about the same thing, does it say anything about the performance of the fiji gpus? hopefully we get a titan killer @ $749
 

flopper

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Maybe we're reading different rumor sites but Hawaii XT is at $389 msrp. I don't believe we've seen fiji pricing as of yet so I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion?

Good news I say with that price range.
 

jackstar7

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Really? $329 for a re-badged R9 390 8GB when a R9 290 4GB is available today for $100 less? That's good news?

Except we still don't know the specifics on these cards and whether they are "re-badges" "re-spins" or what.

And for all the talk about having enough vram, 8GB certainly solves that problem. And Crossfire is smoother than SLI lately... (when it's working), so that's a fair number of positives.

I'm waiting for reviews to see what the best choice for my upgrade is though. Could end up being a 980ti... but I have hope for Fury and 390X's being competitive.

Also curious if we'll see a re-vamped 295x2 as a 395x2 with improvements.
 

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I agree Nitromullet.

If these are straight REBRANDS, these are terrible. Anyone in the market for a 390X should just get a 290X now for way cheaper.

If these are RESPINS from TSMC to GloFo, these may be worth their cost.
 

xthetenth

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The 390s are priced consistent with being better than 290s, but everything else is priced consistent with current performance levels. Currently the 290s are or are perceived to be below the 970, where the price/performance ratio changes to a line between the 970 and 980 ti, so small increases in performance can make a big change in expected price. If they've got a 390 sitting at that spot where the 290X is now, it's probably for the best they don't have the 390 and 390X sitting quite so close. But we'll see what the performance is like when they drop.
 

nitromullet

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I agree Nitromullet.

If these are straight REBRANDS, these are terrible. Anyone in the market for a 390X should just get a 290X now for way cheaper.

If these are RESPINS from TSMC to GloFo, these may be worth their cost.

Fair enough. I guess we'll have to see what the chips on these cards really are.

Although, with the launch of a new generation we should either be getting previously unavailable performance in a single card at any price (high end) or previously unavailable performance in a single card at a certain price point (mid range). Raising the price along with performance doesn't really do anything for us.
 
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From the last thread...

Revising a bit based on new info

- $999 Titan X killer :: Fury VR - 2x Fiji w/ 8gb HBM water cooled (possible 8gb usable and not 4gb x2?)
- $599 980ti competitor :: Fury X - Fiji w/ 4gb HBM overclocked & water cooled
- $499 980 killer #1 :: Fury - Fiji w/ 4gb HBM aircooled
- $399 980 killer #2 :: r9 390x - rebadged 290x w/ 8gb gddr5 overclocked & optimized
- $299 970 killer :: r9 390 - rebadged 290x w/4gb gddr5 overclocked & optimized
- $199 960 killer :: r9 380 - rebadged 285 w/ 4gb gddr5 & overclocked

AMD could still win this generation battle

Maybe close?

New updated guess...

- $1000(edited) - Titan X killer :: Fury ?? - 2x Fiji w/ 8gb HBM - water cooled (possible 8gb usable and not 4gb x2?)
- $600 - 980ti competitor :: Fury ?? - Fiji w/ 4gb HBM - overclocked & water cooled
- $500 - 980 killer #1 :: Fury ?? - Fiji w/ 4gb HBM
- $390 - 980 killer #2 :: r9 390x - enhanced 290x w/ 8gb gddr5 - overclocked & optimized
- $330 - 970 killer :: r9 390 - rebadged 290x w/ 8gb gddr5 - overclocked & optimized
- $220-$250 - 960ti killer :: r9 380x - enhanced 285 w/ 3/6gb gddr5 - overclocked & optimized
- $180-$200 - 960 killer :: r9 380 - rebadged 285 w/ 2/4gb gddr5 - overclocked & optimized
- $130-$170 - 750ti killer :: r9 370 - rebadged 265 w/ 2/4gb gddr5 - overclocked & optimized

By 'optimized', I assume they are all going to the goflo process, which reportedly give less leakage and higher efficiency, allowing for higher clocks at slightly lower power. I expect all higher-clocked rebadges to perform better thermally as well.

By 'enahnced', I expect there is going to be an XTX version of Hawaii (390x) and an XT version of Tonga (380x).
 
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sm625

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Why would you even go to the trouble to type out $850 for 2xfiji. The sheer absurdity of that statement should have stopped you before finishing it. Do you really think they would release a 2x fiji for just 40% more than a single fiji?
 

ShintaiDK

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On the "R7 370" -

From the article :

"...it does seem Radeon R7 370 has one 6pin power connector"

This means its use case is the same as the older GTX 660 and newer GTX 960. ie, 75-150W single 6-pin 400W-500W systems.

They are trying to compare it to the 750 Ti, which is a sub 75W no 6-pin card.

With a mere 20% boost vs the 750Ti, this card is filling a price / performance gap between the 750 Ti and the 960 where Nvidia doesn't really have a presence. Same slot that the R7 265 used to fill. In fact, it's probably an R7 265 re-badge with a new cooler.

AMD really needs something to match or beat the 750Ti without a 6-pin to be newsworthy.

Its not easy when you are out of R&D resources. I do wonder why they went to spend the remaining on a halo card rather than a refresh of something like Pitcairn and possible one more lower end GPU.

One thing is certain, the train departed for good.
 

xthetenth

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Why would you even go to the trouble to type out $850 for 2xfiji. The sheer absurdity of that statement should have stopped you before finishing it. Do you really think they would release a 2x fiji for just 40% more than a single fiji?

That and there haven't been any changes in the greater than 980ti space, so there's no reason to price against anything other than 980ti SLI.
 

SlowSpyder

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I plan on going 1440P soon, the R9 390X would be a great fit. I got three plus years out of this 7970, I could probably do the same with an 8GB Hawaii, especially if they can hit a bit higher clocks. I'll probably wait for it to get closer to $300, though.
 

ShintaiDK

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I plan on going 1440P soon, the R9 390X would be a great fit. I got three plus years out of this 7970, I could probably do the same with an 8GB Hawaii, especially if they can hit a bit higher clocks. I'll probably wait for it to get closer to $300, though.

That would also garantee you console "feature level" being on pair unlike your 7970. So 3 years should be easy to get out of a 290X/390X with 8GB.
 

SlowSpyder

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That would also garantee you console "feature level" being on pair unlike your 7970. So 3 years should be easy to get out of a 290X/390X with 8GB.


Are you talking about DX12 comparability of GCN 1 vs 1.1 / 1.2? I have a feeling it won't make a difference for a while. Considering the 7970 is already over three years old I'd say anything it can do with DX12 is a nice perk.
 
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