[Rumor (Various)] AMD R7/9 3xx / Fiji / Fury

[Udgnim]

funny if it was to show 4gb hbm is good enough for even 8k

Crysis 3, BF4, and Bioshock: Infinite look to not be high VRAM usage games

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/crysis-3-graphics-performance-review-benchmark,8.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/battlefield-4-vga-graphics-performance-benchmark,11.html

http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=991&page=1

AMD should try 8K GTA5

 

[RussianSensation]

No kidding, if the power draw is that staggering, I'll be signing up at the NV Camp for another generation.

Woof. I'm starting to lose hope they will have a winning card.

I can't believe you'd even consider NV this round after what happened to Kepler, and you do have a 680 and a 780 (I am sure that 780 Lightning wasn't cheap), both cards that get beaten by their respective competitors the 280X/7970 and the R9 290. If I was a previous Kepler owner during the last 3 years, I would not buy an NV card this round and teach them a lesson for 1 generation. Throwing Kepler under the bus was even worse than the 970 fiasco since at least 970 remains a good card. 780/780Ti/OG Titan and esp. 680 2GB are all complete write-offs today and look laughable in terms of their performance considering their launch prices, compared to 280X/7970Ghz and $220-270 R9 290/290X cards. $700 780Ti is slower than a $270 R9 290X just 1.5 years later. JHH is probably laughing at all the Kepler owners who are pressing F5 to upgrade their 780Ti to Maxwell cuz how much of a dump that card takes in modern titles.

funny if it was to show 4gb hbm is good enough for even 8k

That would be brilliant, especially if it outperforms TX/980Ti in those benches.

 

[SolMiester]

whining about a badge light while overlooking the actual innovation is just lol. love the fear.

Whining about the badge?, Fear?..LOL. We are just amused at AMDs lack of originality!

 

[iiiankiii]

Whining about the badge?, Fear?..LOL. We are just amused at AMDs lack of originality!

quit trolling, bro.

 

[IEC]

Whining about the badge?, Fear?..LOL. We are just amused at AMDs lack of originality!

First card with HBM goes to AMD, regardless of where it falls in terms of performance. That's certainly original (and very useful for SFF/card-length constrained builds).

For the sake of consumers, I hope it beats 980 Ti handily and/or is a better price/performance value.

 

[SolMiester]

I can't believe you'd even consider NV this round after what happened to Kepler, and you do have a 680 and a 780 (I am sure that 780 Lightning wasn't cheap), both cards that get beaten by their respective competitors the 280X/7970 and the R9 290. If I was a previous Kepler owner during the last 3 years, I would not buy an NV card this round and teach them a lesson for 1 generation. Throwing Kepler under the bus was even worse than the 970 fiasco since at least 970 remains a good card. 780/780Ti/OG Titan and esp. 680 2GB are all complete write-offs today and look laughable in terms of their performance considering their launch prices, compared to 280X/7970Ghz and $220-270 R9 290/290X cards. $700 780Ti is slower than a $270 R9 290X just 1.5 years later. JHH is probably laughing at all the Kepler owners who are pressing F5 to upgrade their 780Ti to Maxwell cuz how much of a dump that card takes in modern titles.



That would be brilliant, especially if it outperforms TX/980Ti in those benches.

Have you not taken onboard that NV have started releasing drivers to improve kepler performance or are you just ignoring it while continue to peddle NV deliberately lied about the 970. 290\x & 7xxx lasted so long, as AMD didnt have anything else to sell, so had so choice to ring as much as they could out of those products.
Strange how some people complain there isnt enough GPU launches, yet when NV keep releasing better products, they get canned for not concentrating enough on previous releases...Funny.

 

[waffleironhead]

Nice copying of the illuminated badge AMD!

Yeah, that was so lame on those sapphire cards. Didnt look any good on those windforce coolers either. Did anyone else add that illuminated badge stuff?

 

[Xcobra]

Whining about the badge?, Fear?..LOL. We are just amused at AMDs lack of originality!

lol this guy... just no

 

[badb0y]

Whining about the badge?, Fear?..LOL. We are just amused at AMDs lack of originality!

nVidia didn't invent the side badge lighting up...

 

[flopper]

funny if it was to show 4gb hbm is good enough for even 8k

Dx12 changes things also in the ram department.
Looking forward tuesday for sure.
Give me the Fury

 

[RussianSensation]

Have you not taken onboard that NV have started releasing drivers to improve kepler performance

Maybe because I don't take marketing at face value? In all recent reviews there are no improvements for Kepler products, TechSpot, TPU, AnandTech, Sweclockers, you name it. 5-10% improvements in 1-2 games don't mean much. 780 was a $650 card, 780Ti was a $699 card.

290\x & 7xxx lasted so long, as AMD didnt have anything else to sell, so had so choice to ring as much as they could out of those products.

So according to you since NV had new stuff to sell, it's OK to neglect older products, despite 780/780Ti being only 1.5-2 years old. WOW, just wow, I guess it's now OK for a $650-700 card to become as slow as a $400 R9 290, that today sells for just $220. :whiste:

Strange how some people complain there isnt enough GPU launches, yet when NV keep releasing better products, they get canned for not concentrating enough on previous releases...Funny.

That's hilarious coming from NV followers who bashed AMD's frame times with HD7000 series but AMD actually worked to fix the problem instead of closing their eyes because R9 200 series was release. I guess it's OK that R9 270X crushes 580 by 30%, that 680 can't even beat an R9 280 today and 960 OC coming close to 780Ti in some titles.

You should tell a 780/780Ti owner that it's OK that their cards are now destroyed by a $220 R9 290 because a GPU's shelf-life is now < 2 year according to you!

I am pretty sure the guy who paid $700 for a 780Ti finds it amusing that his card is 50% slower in The Witcher 3.

Do you own a computer shop or something because only an NV shareholder or a person who sells Maxwell GPUs would start defending Fermi/Kepler performance in modern titles.

lol this guy... just no

Just imagine how many of his relatives and close friends received his biased advice in the last couple of decades of their PC upgrades. I bet any $ that he is one of those guys who would recommend a 960 over spending $50 extra for an R9 290 but then once a next gen x60 card comes out, he'll recommend the gamer to spend yet another $200 in 2 years from now just to end up at $220 R9 290 level of performance of 2 years ago. Sad, just sad.

Whining about the badge?, Fear?..LOL. We are just amused at AMDs lack of originality!

Looking forward to your criticism of NV next generation once they copy AIO CLC and HBM tech. Wow, NV is so unoriginal, couldn't even invent their own memory technology, had to copy AMD's HBM design ideas with Pascal. / sarcasm. Also, copied tessellation from Radeon 8500 and EyeFinity, etc.

For the sake of consumers, I hope it beats 980 Ti handily and/or is a better price/performance value.

Unfortunately there is a growing group that wants PC gaming to become a monopoly so all games have GameWorks - you know GeForceMasterRace vs. AMDpeasantPCgamers.

 

[x3sphere]

Have you not taken onboard that NV have started releasing drivers to improve kepler performance or are you just ignoring it while continue to peddle NV deliberately lied about the 970. 290\x & 7xxx lasted so long, as AMD didnt have anything else to sell, so had so choice to ring as much as they could out of those products.
Strange how some people complain there isnt enough GPU launches, yet when NV keep releasing better products, they get canned for not concentrating enough on previous releases...Funny.

People here noticed Kepler lagging behind in performance months ago, it only recently got attention with The Witcher 3. Even after the driver fix, Kepler's performance still isn't where it should be relative to the 290/290X. It's also pretty ridiculous that the issue went overlooked on one of this year's biggest titles, after all Kepler users still represent the majority of NV's userbase.

NV has lost my trust and if AMD puts out a competitive product with Fury I'm switching for sure

 

[ozzy702]

People here noticed Kepler lagging behind in performance months ago, it only recently got attention with The Witcher 3. Even after the driver fix, Kepler's performance still isn't where it should be relative to the 290/290X. It's also pretty ridiculous that the issue went overlooked on one of this year's biggest titles, after all Kepler users still represent the majority of NV's userbase.

NV has lost my trust and if AMD puts out a competitive product with Fury I'm switching for sure

^ This. I'm going back to the Red Team after feeling royally burned with my 780 purchase. I loved my 7970 and wish I would have just hung on to it instead of selling it and buying a 780. At the time it was a decent upgrade and I was playing BF4 a lot and NVIDIA was ahead quite a bit.

 

[RussianSensation]

Wccftech just countered tweaktowns claim of 30k fury units. reports their "sources" say baseless and plenty to go around

Nice, they also reportedly received insider AMD pricing for R7/9 300 series:

R9 390X 8GB $389
R9 390 8GB $329
R9 380 4GB $235
R9 380 2GB $195
R7 370 4GB $175
R7 370 2GB $135
R7 360 2GB $107

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3822064025?see_lz=1

We might get benchmark leaks by Sunday evening. He says:

"8:00 pm on Sunday for evaluation. We have got the driver from the official."

Most of the leaks showed Fiji running at 1000mhz and it doesn't sound like the card was tested on final drivers either. If the final WCE version runs at 1050mhz with Uber Mode at 1100mhz and with final drivers, we could see performance increase another 5-10%.


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8K? I think they are trying to hint that 4K => 2X Tahiti's ROPs (32 -> 64) and 8K => 2X Hawaii's ROPs (64 -> 128)?

 

[Head1985]

389usd is overpriced if 390x is 290x rebrand
How much will FIJI pro cost if 50% slower 390x will cost 389usd?
This looks pretty bad.

 

[looncraz]

Strange how some people complain there isnt enough GPU launches, yet when NV keep releasing better products, they get canned for not concentrating enough on previous releases...Funny.

That's because AMD continues to support older products for an incredibly long time. My 7870XT scored almost 15% better when I finally moved it to another machine in my house than it did when I installed it... and it was just a small-run mini 7950 card - the type nVidia would have never given any love (speaking from experience).

I also have an nVidia card - a GTS 450 - in my wife's computer. I finally updated the drivers a couple months ago (first time since it was new [brand new]). Absolutely no discernible difference in performance anywhere. In fact, it seemed that features were actually removed from the drivers, but I didn't pay too much attention to what was available before to say that definitively.

 

[RussianSensation]

Hence why Fiji would be at a disadvantage relative to GM200 in pixel fillrate if stuck with the same number of ROPs as you suggested. It's also the reason why general hype about memory bus width alone is faulty.

I forgot to address your point. We can never compare AMD vs. NV ROPs on paper, it has never worked that way.

Titan X has 96 ROPs = 43.6

285 has 32 ROPs = 19.9
290 has 64 ROPs = 16.6

My point was not to compare ROPs of NV to AMD but rather Fiji's to Hawaii's by taking into account that Tonga with only 32 ROPs already clobbers Hawaii in pixel fill-rate.

On paper specs, Titan X has 3.3X more pixel shading power in games over a 925mhz HD7970, but its performance is about 2.08X faster at 1440P per TPU's testing. We can't compare NV vs. AMD ROPs on paper.

For example, HBM1's 4096-bit bus sounds impressive, but low clock speeds curb the final bandwidth amount to no more than 2x that on Hawaii's preceeding 512-bit bus. The effect on the parts of the GPU core itself seems less understood though.

Tonga has 40% higher memory bandwidth efficiency, which means if Fiji has the same tech, its 512GB/sec is equivalent to 717GB/sec on a 290X, which is more than double.

That's because AMD continues to support older products for an incredibly long time. My 7870XT scored almost 15% better when I finally moved it to another machine in my house than it did when I installed it... and it was just a small-run mini 7950 card - the type nVidia would have never given any love (speaking from experience).

HD7870 launch:

580 is 3% faster at 1080P with AA @ Computerbase

Today,

7870/R9 270X is 30% faster than the 580 at 1080P with AA @ Computerbase

That's a delta of 33%. To put it into perspective, it took NV more than 1.5 years to increase performance from a 760 to a 960 by just 10%.

 

[flopper]

389usd is overpriced if 390x is 290x rebrand
How much will FIJI pro cost if 50% slower 390x will cost 389usd?
This looks pretty bad.

Its not a rebrand.

 

[flopper]

HD7870 launch:

580 is 3% faster at 1080P with AA @ Computerbase

Today,

7870/R9 270X is 30% faster than the 580 at 1080P with AA @ Computerbase

One reason more to stay with a open source innovative company like AMD.
Looking forward Fury immensly.
cant sleep

 

[Magee_MC]

Its not a rebrand.

We can't say that it's not a rebrand until the card actually drops, but I can't believe that AMD would be stupid enough to increase the price of a card that's currently selling for $270 to $389 without there being a corresponding increase in performance and value.

I expect that whatever price that it does come in at it will have the performance to make it a worthwhile purchase.

 

[thilanliyan]

290\x & 7xxx lasted so long, as AMD didnt have anything else to sell, so had so choice to ring as much as they could out of those products.
Strange how some people complain there isnt enough GPU launches, yet when NV keep releasing better products, they get canned for not concentrating enough on previous releases...Funny.

Strange how some people complain about some amd cards that actually perform pretty well after so long. Damn them for releasing a long lasting architecture and providing performance improvements in drivers. It's so much better having to buy a new card anytime something new is released...my money is best utilized by being in the pockets of graphics card companies.

 

[thilanliyan]

HD7870 launch:

580 is 3% faster at 1080P with AA @ Computerbase

Today,

7870/R9 270X is 30% faster than the 580 at 1080P with AA @ Computerbase

That's a delta of 33%.

Ouch. That's pretty sad. I'd be disappointed if I had shelled out for a 580.

 

[TechyGeek]

I forgot to address your point. We can never compare AMD vs. NV ROPs on paper, it has never worked that way.

Titan X has 96 ROPs = 43.6

285 has 32 ROPs = 19.9
290 has 64 ROPs = 16.6

My point was not to compare ROPs of NV to AMD but rather Fiji's to Hawaii's by taking into account that Tonga with only 32 ROPs already clobbers Hawaii in pixel fill-rate.

On paper specs, Titan X has 3.3X more pixel shading power in games over a 925mhz HD7970, but its performance is about 2.08X faster at 1440P per TPU's testing. We can't compare NV vs. AMD ROPs on paper.



Tonga has 40% higher memory bandwidth efficiency, which means if Fiji has the same tech, its 512GB/sec is equivalent to 717GB/sec on a 290X, which is more than double.



HD7870 launch:

580 is 3% faster at 1080P with AA @ Computerbase

Today,

7870/R9 270X is 30% faster than the 580 at 1080P with AA @ Computerbase

That's a delta of 33%. To put it into perspective, it took NV more than 1.5 years to increase performance from a 760 to a 960 by just 10%.

How much I love this guy's posts. Cold hard facts backed with numbers, benchmarks, links, images. Solid 100%

 

[Spanners]

Whining about the badge?, Fear?..LOL. We are just amused at AMDs lack of originality!

Are you really saying Nvidia originated illuminated logos? Amused.

 

[redzo]

389usd is overpriced if 390x is 290x rebrand
How much will FIJI pro cost if 50% slower 390x will cost 389usd?
This looks pretty bad.

I don't think that's expensive. They are pushing for affordable high amounts of GDDR5. It will probably get cheaper after a few months. Actual performance and their place in the food chain against the 970 and the 980 is what matters most. Those 8GB, while ridiculous and useless for current vram requirements and the entire gpu future useless when 8GB will matter, still make for a nice blend.