[Rumor (Various)] AMD R7/9 3xx / Fiji / Fury

[Glo.]

In CCC, if you will bring down the TDP to lets say 50% Hawaii will run at 145W of TDP at around 85-90% of base performance.

http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/nmp-2015-where-is-it.1849662/page-8#post-20880421 The quote is most important.

 

[goa604]

So if you took a gtx980ti and watercooled it , it would consume even less power?

It could in theory.

 

[Kippa]

For the sake of the argument. Lets just say that AMD release the 390X and its performance is pretty much equal to the Titan X but is significantly cheaper, do you think Nvidia might change the price of the Titan X at all? I'm keeping an open mind though I'd like a Titan X and would wait a few weeks to see if the price will budge at all.

 

[tviceman]

So if you took a gtx980ti and watercooled it , it would consume even less power?

Not by a crazy amount. In fact, look at 295x2 reviews (techpowerup and hardocp measure isolated video card power consumption). The efficiency over a 290x is negligible at best. The power needed for the pump AND fan negates some (or most) of the gains moving to basic water.

 

[tviceman]

In CCC, if you will bring down the TDP to lets say 50% Hawaii will run at 145W of TDP at around 85-90% of base performance.

http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/nmp-2015-where-is-it.1849662/page-8#post-20880421 The quote is most important.

All GPU's exhibit power savings when limiting the TDP. That's how the GTX 960m runs at 45 watts in a laptop at 95% performance of the 65 watt desktop 750 TI. The fact that Hawaii is saving so much power is an indication that AMD went well past the sweet spot of performance/watt on stock speeds.

 

[IEC]

For the sake of the argument. Lets just say that AMD release the 390X Fury X and its performance is pretty much equal to the Titan X but is significantly cheaper, do you think Nvidia might change the price of the Titan X at all? I'm keeping an open mind though I'd like a Titan X and would wait a few weeks to see if the price will budge at all.

FTFY.

Would not hurt to wait a few weeks and see what happens. Best case it matches or beats Titan X for less $$$ and results in a Titan-X price cut. Then everyone wins.

 

[IEC]

It could in theory.

To be accurate, it will consume less power to achieve the same level of performance. For instance, the net ~20-25W less system power consumption I observed during Unigine Valley runs by going from a blower to a AIO CLC. Not to mention near silence vs jet turbine... and no throttling. Which gives me high hopes for a Fury X WCE leaving some performance on the table.

You can still max out the power limit by using a power virus like Furmark

 

[happy medium]

Now we have to wait till the 24th for reviews of the Fury card?

"Fiji XT launch on 18th, benchmarks on the 24th"

"We will see the card debut on June 16th at an AMD gaming event, but most of the information will come on the 18th. We expect to see first reviews before June 25th as people usually need a few days to test these cards."

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/37966-fiji-xt-launch-on-18th-benchmarks-on-the-24th

 

[Grooveriding]

For the sake of the argument. Lets just say that AMD release the 390X and its performance is pretty much equal to the Titan X but is significantly cheaper, do you think Nvidia might change the price of the Titan X at all? I'm keeping an open mind though I'd like a Titan X and would wait a few weeks to see if the price will budge at all.

Using common sense I would think yes, but I don't think it will happen. The Titan X is already dead from the 980ti release and is still $1000. You can literally buy a 980ti that is 10% faster than a Titan X right out of the box. If you are set on having a TX because Titan! then I think you'll have to spend the $1000. I don't see any reason for the card anymore at all except for an existing owner who wants to add another card to an SLI setup.

We've seen the Fury X die, it's huge, it has HBM so memory bandwidth limits will be eliminated and it's watercooled by a full block so it will be able to run the chip to its maximum capacity. If it doesn't manage to at minimum match a 980ti/TX then it's a steaming turd. Barring it being a turd I would be watching the non X Fury card. With everything behind the Fury X, if it's not a fail, I would expect it to be the equal of a TX or better. If that holds out and the plain Fury is cheaper than a 980ti, then the 980ti could see a price drop.

There is really no point to buying a TX anymore unless you are running 3 4K monitors in surround.

 

[Magee_MC]

I'm still very curious as to why they are calling 390/390X "Grenada" when according to all current evidence is just a rebrand?

Maybe all of the evidence isn't in yet?

 

[The Alias]

Wat.

Sorry was typing from a phone, but I fixed it

 

[BryanC]

Absolutely. The reason must be related to Apple.

I keep hearing this, but I can't imagine Apple sales make any difference to AMD. The cheapest iMac with Tonga is $2549.00. Volumes must be a round-off error.

I just bought a Retina iMac for my wife - at the store, they didn't even carry the Tonga version. Only Pitcairn.

 

[IEC]

Maybe all of the evidence isn't in yet?

To play devil's advocate, as a "rebadge" ("rebin" might be a better term), the known quantities are:

390X "Reference" vs 290X Reference

+50 (100?) MHz core
+250 MHz memory
+4GB VRAM
Same TDP (?)
Much better cooling vs 290X blower...

Considering custom 290s were matching reference 290X performance at the same clocks despite fewer shaders, I'd expect a 390X "rebin" to be a 7-12% boost in benchmarks vs where the 290X is listed today, worst case scenario assuming TSMC 28nm "rebin"

This is ignoring any other marginal improvements in BIOS, drivers, power efficiency, etc. that may have occurred.

 

[96Firebird]

Sorry was typing from a phone, but I fixed it

I didn't see where he said anything about his CPU, where did you see that it wasn't OC'd?

 

[Tovarisc]

http://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/39ude7/amd_received_24_fury_xs_on_june_8th_probably/

I wonder if that Per Unit price has any indication on pricing? ~78k INR is ~1.2k USD / ~1.1k Euros. I doubt it indicates retail pricing considering FijiXT should be competing 980Ti with its performance and pricing.

24 units is decent number, possible review HW to be sent out?

 

[Kippa]

Using common sense I would think yes, but I don't think it will happen. The Titan X is already dead from the 980ti release and is still $1000. You can literally buy a 980ti that is 10% faster than a Titan X right out of the box. If you are set on having a TX because Titan! then I think you'll have to spend the $1000. I don't see any reason for the card anymore at all except for an existing owner who wants to add another card to an SLI setup.

We've seen the Fury X die, it's huge, it has HBM so memory bandwidth limits will be eliminated and it's watercooled by a full block so it will be able to run the chip to its maximum capacity. If it doesn't manage to at minimum match a 980ti/TX then it's a steaming turd. Barring it being a turd I would be watching the non X Fury card. With everything behind the Fury X, if it's not a fail, I would expect it to be the equal of a TX or better. If that holds out and the plain Fury is cheaper than a 980ti, then the 980ti could see a price drop.

There is really no point to buying a TX anymore unless you are running 3 4K monitors in surround.

Sorry I forgot to mention that I use the gfx card for 3d rendering and would love the 12gb of vram. If I were going for a pure gaming card I would go for a 980ti or 390X. its just that I have multiple uses for the gfx card and would actually be one of the small percentage of users that would actually use the 12gb and see it as an advantage. I'm just waiting to see what the new AMD card is like and if there is a small decrease in the Titan X as a result.

 

[JDG1980]

For the sake of the argument. Lets just say that AMD release the 390X and its performance is pretty much equal to the Titan X but is significantly cheaper, do you think Nvidia might change the price of the Titan X at all? I'm keeping an open mind though I'd like a Titan X and would wait a few weeks to see if the price will budge at all.

Assuming you meant Fury X (the 390X is just a rebrand): I don't think we will be seeing a Titan X price drop no matter what the performance levels. Nvidia wants to maintain the Titan brand as a premium brand, and I expect it to stay at the $999 price point.

If Nvidia thinks they need to drop prices to compete, I think it's more likely that they would introduce a new SKU ("GTX 980 Ti Black Edition"?) with a fully enabled and clock-boosted GM200 chip but only 6GB of RAM. After all, AMD's offering will only have 4GB, and we know that the Titan X's 12GB offers no real improvement over the GTX 980 Ti's 6GB in normal gaming. This card could come in around $749. Then, if Nvidia really wants to go in for the kill, they could drop the standard GTX 980 Ti to $499...

 

[The Alias]

I didn't see where he said anything about his CPU, where did you see that it wasn't OC'd?

the poster mentioned the reviewer's cpu was oc'ed,but didn't mention the forum guy so I assumed that meant he was stock

 

[3DVagabond]

It could in theory.

Except it would boost higher and stay at those clocks better. Using the 980ti is a poor comparison because nVidia and AMD power saving tech is different.

 

[Grooveriding]

Sorry I forgot to mention that I use the gfx card for 3d rendering and would love the 12gb of vram. If I were going for a pure gaming card I would go for a 980ti or 390X. its just that I have multiple uses for the gfx card and would actually be one of the small percentage of users that would actually use the 12gb and see it as an advantage. I'm just waiting to see what the new AMD card is like and if there is a small decrease in the Titan X as a result.

Can't hurt to wait but I think it probably would make more sense to release a full GM200 in a 980ti than drop the TX's price. The TX doesn't make an argument for its self with a price drop against a potential Fury X with the same or better performance when the 980ti is already performing like a TX with a lower price.

I sold both my TX in anticipation of a potentially decent Fury or alternately some 980ti aftermarket cards, but my system is for gaming. If you're not adverse to used you can get a used TX in FS/T forums for a decent discount right now.

 

[3DVagabond]

For the sake of the argument. Lets just say that AMD release the 390X and its performance is pretty much equal to the Titan X but is significantly cheaper, do you think Nvidia might change the price of the Titan X at all? I'm keeping an open mind though I'd like a Titan X and would wait a few weeks to see if the price will budge at all.

You might be better to focus on the 980ti.

Posted before I read your response about rendering.

 

[96Firebird]

the poster mentioned the reviewer's cpu was oc'ed,but didn't mention the forum guy so I assumed that meant he was stock

I just sent him a PM on here (the guy with the card) asking to give his PC specs, just to clarify. We'll see if he responds...

 

[ShintaiDK]

How confident are you with this prediction?

More confident than you and the rest was in that the 300 series couldnt be a rebrand

 

[ShintaiDK]

I'm still very curious as to why they are calling 390/390X "Grenada" when according to all current evidence is just a rebrand?

They did that before. Nothing changed but the name.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The number of imac's apple sells is a tiny fraction of the number of airs and pro's they sell. The number of 27" imacs is a fraction of the number of 21.5" imac's they sell. The number of upgraded 27" imacs they sell is a fraction of the number of number of 27" stock imacs (295m is a BTO option).

Imac is not the reason they don't have tonga. Likely there is some minor but significant flaw in tonga (or production problems/yields) that is holding tonga back.

But still an issue at this stage? That would be an outright catastrophy.