You are thinking about currently released products.
Apple will likely be refreshing both iMac lines and the Mac Pro line in September. It is very likely that Tonga Pro and Tonga XT will be in the bulk of their desktops(iMacs and Mac Pros) by years end.
With Apple moving completely away from Nvidia, Tonga Pro and Tonga XT are their only logical choices for their desktop lines going forward this year and next. We will know in September.
If anything was leeching performance it would be on the random Guy's system, not Hexus,the professional review site. Not to mention Hexus's CPU was overclocked. You bring up intangibles, but the tangible differences far outweigh the intangible ones, yet the 390x still overcame them
About those power consumptions. Am I reading something wrong, or In Furmark new GPUs draw around 250W of Power? In gaming scenarios it would be what... 190-220W?
If thats the case, I think that the first benchmarks on ChipHell of "Captain Jack" card are getting more and more possible...
50W drop in Furmark, in gaming it can be similar.
And with that: http://www.chiphell.com/thread-1182382-1-1.html makes more sence. I would love 20% more gaming performance compared to GTX980 at a cost of 8% more power consumption.
No I read it perfectly. I've also read component reviews enough to know that mobos, ram, and different ssd's don't overcome 3.9 vs 4.4ghz clockspeeds on the cpu enough to account for a 200 point difference in score. The only thing that should take that much performance away from the HEXUS system is software; however, HEXUS shouldn't be running extracurricular software on their system in the first place as they are a professional review site, so unless you want to say HEXUS isn't doing a proper job of reviewing cards, only one conclusion can be reached: The 390x has a more going for it than we know.Huh?
Leeching performance?
I think you need to re read my post.
Its not about leeching, you just can't compare across systems like that. Not if you are looking for accuracy. It could be even better, it doesn't mean it is worse.
Now when people say lower power consumption, are we talking compared to a 290(X) with a reference cooler or an aftermarket card @ same clocks?
Site blocked at work, is that:
8% over GTX 980 power consumption for that 20% perf
or
8% over R9 290X power consumption for that 20% perf?
I'm assuming the former, which would be a huge boost to AMD. Reviews would have to point that out.
The FireStrike score equals pretty much to GTX980. And we know that if a GPU from AMD has equaled score in FireStrike it usually means the GPU is faster.I don't see getting 30% improvement over Hawaii for Grenada, that would indicate a massive performance per clock improvement. Nothing we've seen (outside of that link) indicates that much performance improvement and I don't think there's anything to say that the link is even legit. Even if it is legit, I think it is much more likely to be Fiji Pro. People have already got their hands on 390(x) cards and at best have shown a 5-10% improvement in Firestrike and lower power consumption. That's all I was expecting, tbh, and much more doesn't leave a lot of room in the performance stack for a Fiji Pro.
Site blocked at work, is that:
8% over GTX 980 power consumption for that 20% perf
or
8% over R9 290X power consumption for that 20% perf?
I'm assuming the former, which would be a huge boost to AMD. Reviews would have to point that out.
20% over GTX980 with 8% more power consumption.
The card draws 197 W compared to 185 of GTX980, with 65 FPS averaged from 19 games, compared to 56 for GTX980.
The FireStrike score equals pretty much to GTX980. And we know that if a GPU from AMD has equaled score in FireStrike it usually means the GPU is faster.
How much? Im pretty sure it will be at least 10% faster than GTX980.
From engineering point of view, IMO AMD just got rid of DP engines in the GPU. Thats why they were able to get 50W reduction in Power Consumption at least.
No I read it perfectly. I've also read component reviews enough to know that mobos, ram, and different ssd's don't overcome 3.9 vs 4.4ghz clockspeeds on the cpu enough to account for a 200 point difference in score. The only thing that should take that much performance away from the HEXUS system is software; however, HEXUS shouldn't be running extracurricular software on their system in the first place as they are a professional review site, so unless you want to say HEXUS isn't doing a proper job of reviewing cards, only one conclusion can be reached: The 390x has a more going for it than we know.
Also, it's pretty insulting to throw sirplayalot's results in to question when we have no quantifiable reason to believe he's being disingenuous.
hmm... this new GPU I have totally rocks at 4k. Used to need 2 GPUs to do 4k well, now just need 1.
He just posted that same old captain jack chart that was being spread around ages ago.
I guess that is how things are gonna be played, using most likely made up charts on forums and try to pass it off. It has never been proven real and from the looks of it, all evidence is saying that captain jack is not the 390x. But hey, if it can confuse some, I guess that is something
The FireStrike score equals pretty much to GTX980. And we know that if a GPU from AMD has equaled score in FireStrike it usually means the GPU is faster.
How much? Im pretty sure it will be at least 10% faster than GTX980.
From engineering point of view, IMO AMD just got rid of DP engines in the GPU. Thats why they were able to get 50W reduction in Power Consumption at least.
What is that supposed to mean? How do we know he isnt talking about a 980ti, or any other card?
What is that supposed to mean? How do we know he isnt talking about a 980ti, or any other card?
AMD would be foolish to base a strategy on one customer's plans a year after product release. I sure hope Apple uses Tonga more - it's a much better GPU than Pitcairn. But I can't imagine this potential design win is the reason for Tonga's existence.
The name of the thread says very clearly that this is a RUMOR thread, not fact. So I think everything posted here is still rumors. And everything here should be taken that way.
Well that is sounding awesome for Fiji.
I haven't lost hope on it though.
This is good to hear
On the flip side.......
This really has to be a devastating blow to AMDs fiji plan. I think it is a great punch in the gut. There really is no way around it.
I cannot see how this wouldnt effect their plan. It has to be a huge blow.
This is a punch in the gut. And i think it is gonna hurt.
From engineering point of view, IMO AMD just got rid of DP engines in the GPU.