[Rumor (Various)] AMD R7/9 3xx / Fiji / Fury

[thilanliyan]

If these specs are legit, I'm glad there is an aircooled version of Fiji XT for those who want to go custom water.

 

[exar333]

If these specs are legit, I'm glad there is an aircooled version of Fiji XT for those who want to go custom water.

:thumbsup:

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Azix]

The below is interesting. Looking at a little under 550mm^2

AMD has also managed to significantly improve the area efficiency. We don’t have an official die size for Fiji yet but we do have a fairly good idea about how large this chip is. And what we are able to conclude is that AMD has managed to improve the performance by over 50% with Fiji vs Hawaii. While only expanding the silicon area, i.e. size of the chip, by roughly 25%. Which means that AMD has achieved the holy trifecta of semiconductor engineering. Greater performance, greater power efficiency and greater area efficiency.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-fury-x-specs-fiji/#ixzz3caoQV8Vj

 

[flopper]

If accurate
The Fury bolted my hype into AMD overdrive so say we all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3EzRAgjo_s

 

[Enigmoid]

Interesting, looks nice. Now need prices.

 

[monstercameron]

Guys it is now safe to board the hype train!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Gloomy]

The below is interesting. Maybe not as large as expected. The pro might be the one trading blows with the titan

HBM interface much smaller than gddr5. Also hbm only connects to 4 controllers on Fiji versus the 8 controllers on Hawaii... that's where the die space savings are coming from...

 

[soccerballtux]

Guys it is now safe to board the hype train!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahaha

 

[jamesgalb]

If (and this is a big if) AMD doesn't release an 8GB Fiji variant at launch, I do hope they announce it will or will not be coming. I certainly wouldn't want to buy a 4GB version and then have a better one release just a few months later...

I wonder if HBM will begin to allow for more powerful low-profile/half-height true ITX cards...?

 

[DiogoDX]

8.6/5.6 =~ 54%

This is computational performance increase not performance in games.

 

[Stuka87]

I wonder if HBM will begin to allow for more powerful low-profile/half-height true ITX cards...?

Not with Fiji. But moving forward to when HBM moves down to lower end cards next generation sure. Cards should be able to get a lot smaller.

 

[exar333]

HBM interface much smaller than gddr5. Also hbm only connects to 4 controllers on Fiji versus the 8 controllers on Hawaii... that's where the die space savings are coming from...

True. This 'efficiency' gain is a one-time only thing though...still great though, but one that we would see from NV as well next year with Pascal.

 

[ocre]

Great post, as with a lot of things YMMV and if 40-50W of GPU power usage actually results in that much heat being exhausted directly at you, I can see how it's a big deal. Also, for some people they feel more environmentally conscious if they are buying a part that they know uses less power and are willing to pay extra for that. I personally don't get that since there are plenty of other electronic devices or buying a more fuel efficient vehicle that can be used to target that desire but again YMMV.

I just think in the last 3 years the constant movement to perf/watt from users who overclock their CPUs and GPUs is becoming really hypocritical. If someone really cares about perf/watt, they aren't buying i5/i7 K series CPUs and game at 120-144Hz where the GPU uses even more power. It's like this idea of picking of choosing when perf/watt matters and when it doesn't is what leads to this debate. For example, if we go with the idea that YES, perf/watt matters, then I'll go with the idea that 60Hz gaming is more than good enough and those who are gaming at 120-144Hz are wasting electricity and are harming the environment -- and you know that would be a ludicrous argument. Also, if 40-50W power differences matters that much, how did a lot of these same people who are making such a big deal used GPUs in the past, especially Fermis and overclocked GTX460s!

So........
Maybe you dont know how things have played out in PC but efficiency has been very important. I dont really know how you can be struggling with this but take a good look around and see for yourself, performance per watt matters.

For years now, many many years, AMD has sold CPUs that are just as powerful as the intel chips they priced them to compete with. Actually, the AMD chips have actually been more powerful than some of the intel chips at the same price. But, the down side, the only downside, performance per watt.

It is absolutely important and has been. People like the idea of efficiency, whether they overclock or not. Whether you get it or not. People will gravitate towards the more efficient design.

One generation, the people start to notice. Two or three and it starts to tarnish the brand.

Intel has always been a much larger company than AMD. But their P4 was a major black eye for the company. As for performance, it wasnt terrible, not at all. But lets look back

AMD never had it better result. And before you get sidetracked, this was a time when intel (a much larger giant) was fighting with all their might to cut deals, illegal brides to stop AMD from tipping them over.

The article source or the picture:
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...for-unfair-and-damaging-practices-against-amd

In the EU, consumer harm is not required to prove market abuse — simply that a company abused its dominant position and distorted the competitive market. Given the scope and scale of Intel’s actions, it’d be difficult to argue that this didn’t happen.
Intel ramped up these behaviors in the early 2000s when the Pentium 3 had run out of gas and the P4 was floundering. It began leaning on them even more aggressively once Opteron and the Athlon 64 launched — Intel executives are on-record as referring to Dell as “the best friend money can buy.” Elsewhere, Intel openly acknowledges that it used rebates (also called the MCP, Meet Comp Program) to keep OEMs away from AMD.




It was a great time for AMD. You may not have known it but many times back in the athlon days, AMD was selling chips to the max of their capacity. They simply could not sell more because they didnt have them. Intel had a much larger operation and capacity but AMD was a force to be reckoned and that is for sure.


I dont want to get too far off topic but the point is that power consumption has mattered throughout the history of PC.

You bring up fermi and say it didnt matter but it absolutely did. You have to look at the big picture though

The 8800 changed the game for nvidia. That buzz was wicked and kept them on the top for awhile. But, it is not irreversible. A single generation, it gets noticed. Fermi's power hungry faults were a big deal and although the market might be slow to react, it still reacts


mobile discrete share

AMD was clawing their discrete marketshare and 2010-2011 it was at the highest it had been in the last 7-8 years. How can you say that performance per watt didnt matter?



Nvidia pulled out of the nose dive. They had one advantage, even though fermi was a power hog, it was still more powerful. But even that wasnt enough to keep them from loosing market share.



Had nvidia followed up fermi with another perf per watt blunder, they would have lost the majority of market share for sure. Also, the discrete mobile continued on to become the lions share of discrete sales. Nvidia taking that market, boosted overall discrete, but you already know this.



You also know that had fermi been even slower than the 5870, while using more power, it would have been a devastating blow all at once. Instead, nvidia very very quiclkly followed up the 480 with an even more powerful 580 and switched their focus on mobile first. Why is that?



You say performance per watt should be ignored. That will never ever happen. It has been a very important metric throughout the history of PC and will remain important. It has always had an impact, whether you like it or get it.

 

[flopper]

I wonder if HBM will begin to allow for more powerful low-profile/half-height true ITX cards...?

next year for sure the midrange should be smaller and thinner than ever.

 

[blastingcap]

for the cheapos out there

Have some pity. Not all of us are AMD or NV shills sporting complimentary high-end cards, you know.

In any case, competition is good; I hope this forced NV to cut 980 ti prices down to size.

 

[flopper]

Interesting, looks nice. Now need prices.

1000euro for the Nano high end one is told at www.sweclockers.se (swede)

 

[SimianR]

Thinking that based on 7950/290 that the Fiji Pro will be the way to go

Hopefully it's somewhat affordable, $500 or lower would be nice.

 

[LTC8K6]

54% faster than 290X puts it in the 980Ti's ball park?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1439?vs=1496

 

[swilli89]

Have some pity. Not all of us are AMD or NV shills sporting complimentary high-end cards, you know.

In any case, competition is good; I hope this forced NV to cut 980 ti prices down to size.

nVidia already did this. If there was no Fiji release imminent this card would have been $799. NV already preemptively cut the price $150 to compete with AMD.

 

[.vodka]

128 Tonga ROPs? They *do* want to make 4K on a single card possible. It seems this is it. And Fury Pro also seems to be the card to get.. as AMD's Pro cards have always been, the best price/performance value in the line.

Ah, less than a week to go!

 

[iiiankiii]

Heck yeah efficiency matters. Efficiency, for the most part, to me, means more performance at the same power envelop. Maxwell wouldn't be good if it wasn't efficient. Efficiency is progress. I think it's THE number one metric in hardware tech. Why? The byproduct of efficiency usually means MORE performance.

I remember when Maxwell was first introduced in the form of the GTX 750 ti. It was a great performer for the amount of power it consumed. Right off the bat, I knew that big Maxwell was going to be a great performer based of performance/watt of the GTX 750 ti.

To me, power consumption isn't the 'be all and end all'. I actually don't care about the actual power consumption. I care about what it represents, the signal of progress towards performance.

 

[swilli89]

128 Tonga ROPs? They *do* want to make 4K on a single card possible. It seems this is it. And Fury Pro also seems to be the card to get.. as AMD's Pro cards have always been, the best price/performance value in the line.

Ah, less than a week to go!

Yeah this is gonna be all about 4k benchmarks with good quality levels. As it stands, a 290x and 980 are good to go for 1080p for some time. I'm very eager to see how 980ti and Fiji xt stack up at super high resolutions for more than one reason. Will the 128 ROPs be the trump card? Will 4gb be an actual limitation? Will HBM come in to its own at high bandwidth scenarios?

Exciting times for us GPU enthusiasts!

 

[Justinbaileyman]

The rumor is "R7 360 2GB Bonaire $107".

Most likely the BonaireXT (7790/260/260X) since it supports TrueAudio. We'll find out for sure in a few more days...

Thank you for the info.. I sure hope so, that would be great. I am hoping it out performs the 260x 5-10%. And to the others that asked why I would even need one for a HTPC and why not get a APU?? Well because I am using a Cheapie AM1 5350 in the living room as a HTPC and wanna do some light gaming in that living room at more then 20-25FPS at 720p and would rather play at 1080p at 30-60FPS and I dont want to break the bank or run up the electric bill doing so.

 

[exar333]

next year for sure the midrange should be smaller and thinner than ever.

Agree.

This will likely be a lot like what we saw when the top and mid-range GPUs migrated to GDDR5. The lower SKUs kept with DDR3 for a while...

What's interesting here is that HBM will be a bigger driver because its not only more powerful, but allows for smaller and more efficient cards. The last two items there will be huge for the $100-230 market eventually...

 

[3DVagabond]

54% faster than 290X puts it in the 980Ti's ball park?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1439?vs=1496

Old benches in quiet mode. Current Hawaii is probably ~10%-15% faster.