[Rumor (Various)] AMD R7/9 3xx / Fiji / Fury

[.vodka]

One 120mm top/back fan goes, you screw the AIO there. The AIO's 120mm fan now works as an exhaust, just as you had it before.

Problem solved. There's always a place to mount a 120mm fan, doubling or not the functionality of that fan hole.

 

[Despoiler]

You are making the extraordinary claim that GB for GB HBM can store more. Prove it.

I claimed no such thing. Your reading comprehension needs work. Go back and read what I posted again.

 

[Tuna-Fish]

HBM problems what does that mean? There can't be a binned HBM module it either works or it doesn't. There will be binning of the the GPU but how is that anything new?

A HBM module has 8 independent channels, which can even be turned on or off individually. This means you can bin the total memory amount in increments of 128MB.

I would be very surprised if every HBM stack bonded perfectly. Even if every stack provided by Hynix worked well, and every interposer was flawless, there would still be two steps that could possibly screw it up during the interposer attachment of the stack and the GPU die. No manufacturing steps have 0% loss rate.

If this loss rate is high enough, and if the failed attachment typically destroys a single channel, it would make a lot of sense to have a downbinned version with slightly less ram.

 

[sze5003]

One 120mm top/back fan goes, you screw the AIO there. The AIO's 120mm fan now works as an exhaust, just as you had it before.

Problem solved. There's always a place to mount a 120mm fan, doubling or not the functionality of that fan hole.

Yea ill just hook it to one of the top fans. Did they say if it comes with an AIO?

 

[.vodka]

Fury X's cooler is an AIO.

 

[Wreckem]

Yea ill just hook it to one of the top fans. Did they say if it comes with an AIO?

Yes the Fury X only comes with a 120mm AIO water cooler. The fan on it appears to be a 3000rpm Gentle Typhoon.

 

[sze5003]

Yes the Fury X only comes with a 120mm AIO water cooler. The fan on it appears to be a 3000rpm Gentle Typhoon.

Good to know now to wait until Thursday to see the reviews and then figure out if fury pro or x would be better. At least get this out of the way before skylake and a new mobo is needed.

 

[soccerballtux]

That is how all cards act when running out of VRAM. That is what causes stutters. Nothing will change by using RAM as a cache for the graphics card, that is what RAM does today. And if you're out of RAM, it accesses the SSD or HDD.

this is different from the 970 microstutter due to actively using on board memory to render to. Like the difference between a swap file (this) and simply having slower RAM (970)

 

[96Firebird]

this is different from the 970 microstutter due to actively using on board memory to render to. Like the difference between a swap file (this) and simply having slower RAM (970)

They are all the same. The 970's implementation is actually faster than accessing RAM if you go over the 3.5GB, but they are both too slow to to mediate stutter from running out of VRAM.

Like I've said before, AMD would have to predict what assets need to be cached in VRAM long (in terms of ms) before they are needed by the frame buffer. That is why, with higher on-board VRAM (best case scenario all at full-speed), you can load more into VRAM and don't have to worry as much about new assets needing to be cached.

 

[x3sphere]

If the 'leaked' benchmark is real, it looks like 4GB might be a problem at 4K. You can see a huge dip in performance at 5K and 8K. I know we're not going to be gaming at 5k or 8k anytime soon.

However, it looks like 4GB looks like the limited to 4K. Future games might push that 4GB limit at 4k. I'm extremely interested in seeing how Fury X does at 4K with recent titles that push the VRAM limit such as Shadow of Morridor or Assassin Creed.

If legit, that chart shows HBM doesn't magically make up for having less VRAM, as many have suspected.

Will be interesting if any games have performance issues at 4K, there are some that use beyond 4GB going by [H]'s recent 980 Ti review.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015..._980_ti_video_card_gpu_review/10#.VYCsndVJb-g

The Titan X allowed for higher settings in some of the games tested. When going multi GPU, this will be even more of a factor since that will allow for even higher settings.

 

[iiiankiii]

If legit, that chart shows HBM doesn't magically make up for having less VRAM, as many have suspected.

Will be interesting if any games have performance issues at 4K, there are some that use beyond 4GB going by [H]'s recent 980 Ti review.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015..._980_ti_video_card_gpu_review/10#.VYCsndVJb-g

The Titan X allowed for higher settings in some of the games tested. When going multi GPU, this will be even more of a factor since that will allow for even higher settings.

Yeah. Well, I haven't check those settings. But if MSAA or anti-aliasing is able at 4k, it would be pretty a useless setting to turn up and take away VRAM for very minimal visual gains. If turning down/off anti-aliasing allows for most games to stay below 4GB at 4k, it would be fine.

 

[Bobisuruncle54]

I don't know about where you work, but where I do people with engineering backgrounds don't tend to do work based off of assumptions without evidence. Not to mention you provide no evidence to support your "argument." That's the burden of proof logical fallacy. Your statement is flat out ridiculous.

I'm not presenting an "argument" - I'm asking him to provide evidence for his. If he can bring a single shred of it to light, I'll gladly take it on board. You might be good with numbers, words - not so much.

 

[Enigmoid]

I claimed no such thing. Your reading comprehension needs work. Go back and read what I posted again.

Wrong quote lol.

 

[tential]

One 120mm top/back fan goes, you screw the AIO there. The AIO's 120mm fan now works as an exhaust, just as you had it before.

Problem solved. There's always a place to mount a 120mm fan, doubling or not the functionality of that fan hole.

I know this sounds simple to you. And to me as well. But im starting to think there is a large user base out there that doesn't get this.

I mean, I see a lot of users on other forums get pcs and big cases and buy a fan for every slot. I'm not saying g this is the specific reason but maybe just one of them.

Me personally it's just such a great freaking value at 650. I'm getting a 550 card + a 100 wc without having to do any work to add the wc to my card. All done for me. The most hilarious thing is if the 980ti came at 650 water-cooled people would have lost their minds. If the fury x is available at 650 with good performance and free water cooling too vs the 980 ti? Shouldn't this be a release every gpu owner raves about? Now, amd has raised the bar and said that flagship card should be 650 with wc and that the air version should be cheaper without wc. Even if you only buy nvidia the 1080ti would now be amazing and the normal 1080 would probably simply be the 1080ti without wc thus giving you a better product than you would have gotten if amd hadn't released this card.

I don't know how you can even post in this section regularly and not be excited about this release....

 

[tential]

I didn't watch the press conference but I thought amd had advertised 5k gaming? Or said something about high res gaming? Their flagship card can't be bad at high res gaming. That would kill the value instantly. If you think amd would release a flagship card that gets wrecked at high res? I just don't know.....

 

[exar333]

I didn't watch the press conference but I thought amd had advertised 5k gaming? Or said something about high res gaming? Their flagship card can't be bad at high res gaming. That would kill the value instantly. If you think amd would release a flagship card that gets wrecked at high res? I just don't know.....

The 5k benchmarks posted in the thread actually don't support that. Those show a drop-off after 4k...

 

[007ELmO]

the 980 TI isn't killer at 4K even in SLI. Some of us are looking for 60FPS @4K no matter the cost.

 

[sze5003]

I know this sounds simple to you. And to me as well. But im starting to think there is a large user base out there that doesn't get this.

I mean, I see a lot of users on other forums get pcs and big cases and buy a fan for every slot. I'm not saying g this is the specific reason but maybe just one of them.

Me personally it's just such a great freaking value at 650. I'm getting a 550 card + a 100 wc without having to do any work to add the wc to my card. All done for me. The most hilarious thing is if the 980ti came at 650 water-cooled people would have lost their minds. If the fury x is available at 650 with good performance and free water cooling too vs the 980 ti? Shouldn't this be a release every gpu owner raves about? Now, amd has raised the bar and said that flagship card should be 650 with wc and that the air version should be cheaper without wc. Even if you only buy nvidia the 1080ti would now be amazing and the normal 1080 would probably simply be the 1080ti without wc thus giving you a better product than you would have gotten if amd hadn't released this card.

I don't know how you can even post in this section regularly and not be excited about this release....

Agreed, water cooling alone costs about that much. I didn't get a chance to watch the conference either so I didn't catch if there will be aftermarket fury x cards available. This would be my first water cooled device so I wasn't sure about the fit. Hopefully it's no longer than my 7970 now so it should fit fine. Hopefully we see some good results Thursday.

I'm not a fanboy of either brand but this seems like a best value for the money if performance turns out to be good for the fact that you also get water cooling.

 

[Xcobra]

Ok so 4GB looks like may be enough for 4K gaming... and now people are trying to say it's not good enough cuz it sucks at 5K gaming... LOL -_-

 

[DarkKnightDude]

The announced pricing makes it very attractive.

 

[Silverforce11]

Regarding 3dMark Firestrike, AMD usually perform 10% better in games relative to NV based on the synthetic results.

If 390X is close to 980, it'll be faster than it in games.

If Fury X is 10% above Titan X, its going to be ~20% faster than it in games.

The problem with MSAA isn't just the vram intensive aspect, but it cripples performance. In a lot of games, enabling 4x MSAA cuts your performance by a third to half.

Titan X + 20% isn't enough to run 4K + 4x MSAA in intensive games. Heck, Witcher 3 and GTA V destroy Titan X at 1080p with 4x MSAA/Hairworks.. you can forget about "maxing" newer intensive games at 4K unless you rock Quad SLI.

For everyone else who are on single/dual GPU, Fury X will be excellent for 4K.

 

[Glo.]

Ok so 4GB looks like may be enough for 4K gaming... and now people are trying to say it's not good enough cuz it sucks at 5K gaming... LOL -_-

I would only like to point out that we still not seen DirectX/Vulkan/Metal benchmarks with this card. So the results in that API can be even better than they are now in synthetic benchmarks.

 

[bryanW1995]

I don't know why people keep insisting it is a "straight up rebrand" when at minimum you have:
+50MHz core
+250MHz memory
+4GB VRAM

With BIOS and driver improvements along with binning I could see 390X having 10%+ performance versus 290X at equal or slightly lower power consumption.

So it'd be closer to a "GHz" edition than a "straight rebrand", at minimum.

But really the game changer is Fiji. And especially the Nano with claimed 2x perf/watt

People who are still calling 390 a rebrand just have an anti-AMD agenda. It's quite obvious, there are several of them who rotate posting it.

I would say that Fiji is going to be decent, assuming there was no subterfuge or outright lying going on today. It still seems like 980 ti will win after a bit of overclocking, and it's now more likely that we end up with something like 9800gs +-+ again, but at least things are looking to be interesting and competitive again this summer.

I just can't believe 390X is going far with Fuji so close in price. I can't see any reason to buy 390X unless the price drops a lot.

The lower end Fuji cards should kill the 390X, unless something else is at play.

Agreed. 980, 970, 390 and 390x are all going to get really cheap really fast I expect.

 

[exar333]

Yeah. Well, I haven't check those settings. But if MSAA or anti-aliasing is able at 4k, it would be pretty a useless setting to turn up and take away VRAM for very minimal visual gains. If turning down/off anti-aliasing allows for most games to stay below 4GB at 4k, it would be fine.

LOL!

Read comments like this when the GeForce FX came out. 'You don't need AA....blah blah'

Fury is likely a killer card, but msaa/aa is always good, if you can afford the hit. If I have 2 of these, you better know I want as much eye candy enabled while still hitting 60fps On a high res display(s). No games, no compromises.

 

[IEC]

LOL!

Read comments like this when the GeForce FX came out. 'You don't need AA....blah blah'

Fury is likely a killer card, but msaa/aa is always good, if you can afford the hit. If I have 2 of these, you better know I want as much eye candy enabled while still hitting 60fps On a high res display(s). No games, no compromises.

At 5K you're not going to be enabling those in a single-card configuration anyways. Even at 4K Titan X, 980 Ti, and even Fury will all struggle mightily to be 60 FPS+ in some games, especially if you try to enable 4x MSAA.