[Rumor (Various)] AMD R7/9 3xx / Fiji / Fury

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sze5003

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It's a gaming device that's all. Why you would limit it only to the desk is beyond me. I thought pc was all about flexibility but apparently they can only be used at a desk with display port monitors or else you aren't doing it right. Lol....

Why would I buy a ps4 and hook it up to my TV when I can get more and better looking games by buying a TV and hooking it up to my TV..... Its a no Brainer....
Yea but that doesn't matter for consoles. I have both consoles and a gaming PC and reason being is exclusives. I dunno I prefer TV for consoles because those games are scaled correctly like text, etc whereas some games on PC hooked up to a huge TV may be hard to read? I have never tried but that's always been an issue for me when using the highest resolution possible.
 

tential

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Lol at people in here defending this insane decision by saying no one buys HDTV for gaming. Yet the Alienware alpha came out, steam is pushing the steam machine, recent trade shows had tons of htpc cases that were very very nice, there were more htpc cases shown than ever for gaming, yet despite all of this focus on pushing pcs into the living, you guys are utterly oblivious to this despite being avid forum posters? I find this hard to believe.

It's even more if you include non gaming too. You have xbmc, now turned into kodi in and very mature form that allows pcs to be great htpc for live TV, recorded TV, gaming (within kodi), all while still retaining the full functionality of a pc.

If you don't think skylake will further push this sector you're crazy. Sorry Intel is about to do some great things with pushing the igp for bringing gaming to very very affordable levels ugh there is so much I want to type without writing a novel but just because you guys are hardcore strict about what gaming should be for pcs, don't think there aren't tons of people who don't worry about a 10 ms difference in input lag and will gladly use a TV or even a 50 ms difference.
 

iiiankiii

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can anyone who has actually played on 4k, comment on the necessity of AA?

I don't need it. There is a slight difference between 0x and 8x. It just isn't worth the performance hit. Besides, don't expect any cards ( single card, SLI or Crossfire) to do 60fps at 4k with high anti-aliasing on. You're going to have to wait until next gen GPUs to do that (probably 2 of it). But, I understand some are sensitive to it AA.
 

tential

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Yea but that doesn't matter for consoles. I have both consoles and a gaming PC and reason being is exclusives. I dunno I prefer TV for consoles because those games are scaled correctly like text, etc whereas some games on PC hooked up to a huge TV may be hard to read? I have never tried but that's always been an issue for me when using the highest resolution possible.
If you've never tried why even comment? I've been gaming on a 70 inch for at least 3 years and my projector for 6 months the at 80 inches.

The only game I've had scaling issues so far is the Witcher 2. So I didn't play it. Not wasting my time with games that can't do simple ui scaling and no, I'm not like you guys I guess, I can easily skip out on a game. My time is valuable I play few games missing one won't kill me as there are 50 other amazing games I haven't played.

It's a pc.... There should almost always be a way to scale the ui. That's the point of a pc it's supposed to be the most flexible. If a pc wasn't flexible then why would I buy it? I might as well buy a console if I want to be told what to do with it after I purchase it

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As for graphical fidelity let's not even get started on that. It's tons better than consoles. It's a massive upgrade yet I'm supposed to give that upgrade up because you say I can only use a console on a TV and nothing else? Makes 0 sense.
 
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sze5003

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If you've never tried why even comment? I've been gaming on a 70 inch for at least 3 years and my projector for 6 months the at 80 inches.

The only game I've had scaling issues so far is the Witcher 2. So I didn't play it. Not wasting my time with games that can't do simple ui scaling and no, I'm not like you guys I guess, I can easily skip out on a game. My time is valuable I play few games missing one won't kill me as there are 50 other amazing games I haven't played.

It's a pc.... There should almost always be a way to scale the ui. That's the point of a pc it's supposed to be the most flexible. If a pc wasn't flexible then why would I buy it? I might as well buy a console if I want to be told what to do with it after I purchase it
Oh well it doesn't affect me as I wouldn't even be willing to buy two cards anyway to be able to play my pc games on a 60 inch TV. I guess those who want that have a right to complain all they want. I buy price per performance anyway. If reviews come out and say the 980ti is better overall that's what I will get.
 

at80eighty

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I don't need it. There is a slight difference between 0x and 8x. It just isn't worth the performance hit. Besides, don't expect any cards ( single card, SLI or Crossfire) to do 60fps at 4k with high anti-aliasing on. You're going to have to wait until next gen GPUs to do that (probably 2 of it). But, I understand some are sensitive to it AA.

thank you for sharing.

was curious how many people are truly sensitive to AA at that resolution. guess we'll find out.
 

imported_bman

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can anyone who has actually played on 4k, comment on the necessity of AA?

Still necessary for me. A 2X spatial method is great, post methods like SMAA and FXAA still have detectable aliasing and shimmering on transparent and thin objects. I have yet use any of the temporal methods yet. I suspect that the highest form of SMAA would be close to perfect (MSAA+Post+Temporal).
 

at80eighty

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Still necessary for me. A 2X spatial method is great, post methods like SMAA and FXAA still have detectable aliasing and shimmering on transparent and thin objects. I have yet use any of the temporal methods yet. I suspect that the highest form of SMAA would be close to perfect (MSAA+Post+Temporal).

Noted, thanks. What sort of specs are you running to enable that?
 

boozzer

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It's a gaming device that's all. Why you would limit it only to the desk is beyond me. I thought pc was all about flexibility but apparently they can only be used at a desk with display port monitors or else you aren't doing it right. Lol....

Why would I buy a ps4 and hook it up to my TV when I can get more and better looking games by buying a TV and hooking it up to my TV..... Its a no Brainer....
damn, never seen hurt feelings this strong before over a piece of hardware. if amd doesn't have what you need, go for nvidia. does nv have what you need? 980 ti evga hybrid isn't bad at all if it fits your needs. see, I don't defend anything. buy what you need or want. as long as it makes sense :thumbsup: I honestly didn't realized my simple question could illicit such a response

I personally play fps games from time to time, a tv would never work with the bad refresh rates. unless things have changed? I haven't check monitors or tvs since my last upgrade back in 2011.
 

looncraz

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I utilize a 1080p projector for my gaming area, mainly because consoles are only 1080p. I do have a PC connected up to it for games like witcher 3 that run a lot faster on PC.

I will game at 4K in a triple projector setup so I need to figure out if FURY X2 or 980TI x2 will do it, looking at preliminary 980TI x2 stats, it will not do.

Do you mean 3 4K projectors?

WHY?!

On a side note, you would not the first, it's been done by many people (well, 3x4k monitors, anyway).

Any of the latest cards should be able to drive three monitors @ 4k, but gaming at 11520x2160 would probably be less pleasant than 3x1080p or 1440p with any technology we'll see in the next two years or so. We can barely drive games well enough on one 4k monitor...
 

looncraz

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No AA at all with the games with the highest frame rates and No AF?

0xAF? in 2015? is this for real?

The idea behind pixel density is that you no longer need AA. I run many of my games at 3200x1800p using VSR on a 24" 1080p monitor - and I just turn off AA... and thing look better without it.
 

looncraz

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I guess it all comes down to that asterisk.



Whatever that asterisk is, it is apparently good for a 20% increase in FPS. I bet they disabled all AA, which is the right thing to do anyway.

The asterisk says:

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*For the system configuration refer to system #18 in the SystemCo???????tion [Configuration?][...]

Board shot shown for illustration purposes only. Final board design [may] differ[...]

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It could be possible that this was at higher clocks, but I'm sure they would have mentioned it when speaking - or it may be mentioned in system #18, with a nice big disclaimer "Clock settings are for development purposes only. Final clock settings may differ."
 

looncraz

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Maybe I could down sample and use the fury x but it's a stupid compromise to make. I want a new 4k TV to tide me over til 4k projectors are out and there are tons of people on many forums using gtx cards specifically for hdmi 2.0.

You might be surprised at how much of a difference super-scaling can make, though I do think AMD will have missed an opportunity to add a few customers if they did, in fact, not add HDMI 2.0 (as nearly useless as this will be in a year or two, though... its adoption rate is poor and it has known problems.).

However, I thoroughly confused as to why you would use an incredibly expensive TV to tide you over until a 4k projector is 'out' when they already are out... okay, so, you can buy a decent car for one ( http://www.bality.info/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=4&feed_id=79540&feed_name=madis). Hah.. it uses DisplayPort

Anyway, I'm confused why your stop-gap measure would be to buy an expensive 4K TV rather than try out some super-scaling first. The difference from VHS to DVD was pretty big. The difference from DVD to BluRay was there, but less noticeable. The difference between 1080p and 4k isn't particularly great. The lack of native content (not an issue with games, of course), performance, and product maturity really makes 4K home theater/gaming setups less than worthwhile.

I'd suggest putting your money into some AMD stock ( :whiste::hmm::|:hmm::biggrin::'eek: ) and waiting for technology to advance. At which point in time, judging by the 4k projectors on the market and in development (which I only slightly follow), DisplayPort will be what you want. HDMI 2.0 will be too limiting (though it would be better to have a card with it, rather than one without it, objectively speaking).
 

looncraz

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just curious, how many buys a tv for their pc? why not a monitor?

HTPCs are all the rage these days, but I've been doing it since the late 90s (running BeOS :wub: ). Now, my HTPC setup doubles as my media server and as a fun gaming machine. My TV is 65" 1080p 120hz and has a reasonable response time (5~8ms, IIRC) and is just too beautiful to NOT want to game upon. I have a lowly 7870xt attached, but I will probably be buying a Fury Nano for it (the power and space savings in my HTPC system will be very welcome (then again, the darn thing idles at ~40W using an AMD A8-7600 APU and the 7870xt... gotta love it! My TV, in fact, only pulls about 20W ... with MY settings, LOL... it pulled 100W on factory settings)).

The thing, though, is that VERY few people are buying 4K TVs and then ALSO gaming on them. So the lack of HDMI 2.0 won't be a REAL problem for 99%+ of the market, BUT it would certainly be something reviewers (and nVidia fanatics alike) would bring up so often that it would damage sales more greatly than it should.
 

Riek

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OC not looking good. And those extremely selected settings. No wonder we never trust company slides.

How oc is not looking good? those *fake?* slides give an id about the performance scaling in some games when the core is upped with 100MHz.
This doesn't say anything about max overclock, voltage used are anything really oc related..

(btw are those really company slides or just *fake* slides? seems like you are eager to jump to conclusions..
 

tential

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You might be surprised at how much of a difference super-scaling can make, though I do think AMD will have missed an opportunity to add a few customers if they did, in fact, not add HDMI 2.0 (as nearly useless as this will be in a year or two, though... its adoption rate is poor and it has known problems.).

However, I thoroughly confused as to why you would use an incredibly expensive TV to tide you over until a 4k projector is 'out' when they already are out... okay, so, you can buy a decent car for one ( http://www.bality.info/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=4&feed_id=79540&feed_name=madis). Hah.. it uses DisplayPort

Anyway, I'm confused why your stop-gap measure would be to buy an expensive 4K TV rather than try out some super-scaling first. The difference from VHS to DVD was pretty big. The difference from DVD to BluRay was there, but less noticeable. The difference between 1080p and 4k isn't particularly great. The lack of native content (not an issue with games, of course), performance, and product maturity really makes 4K home theater/gaming setups less than worthwhile.

I'd suggest putting your money into some AMD stock ( :whiste::hmm::|:hmm::'eek: ) and waiting for technology to advance. At which point in time, judging by the 4k projectors on the market and in development (which I only slightly follow), DisplayPort will be what you want. HDMI 2.0 will be too limiting (though it would be better to have a card with it, rather than one without it, objectively speaking).
I really want to step into 4k gaming and the fury x was my chance to do so. The 980ti didn't have decent aftermarket versions are prices I wanted. Then also, I was maybe going to downsize pick up a 50 inch Vizio p series for 450 refurbished and use that with a fury x.

How i may down sample like you said but it comes out to the same cost since I have to shop my 70 inch then to use with the fury x now that it doesn't support hdmi 2.0

As for why I'd get both a 4k projector and HDTV? I don't expect 4k projectors to hit the price points I want for 2 years at least. Meanwhile HDTV are well within my range.

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I'm using vsr now and love it. I'm just livid that I waited for the fury, and now when it doesn't have a key feature I want people are suggesting to wait til q4 2015 for an adapter, pick up a smaller HDTV with display port for far more cash than I want to for the size of TV (it's actually just a monitor big enough to be a small TV), etc.
Buying g the fury x to down sample just wasn't what I wanted. I wanted 4k gaming and was willing to get 2. Dunno if I want to give amd cash when following through with a simple thing like hdmi 2.0 isn't important to them. Nano and fury x are great for htpc I just can't fathom why no hdmi 2.0 I still can't believe it until reviews are out. This has better be a big misunderstanding
Just tired of people playing it off like it's no big deal to ignore hdmi 2.0 on a flagship card when your competitor had hdmi 2.0 ready in their lineup the whole time.
 
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Glo.

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In OSX 10.11 El Capitan, there are some clues that lead to Fury X. So that means somebody have tested something already.

I think you can see where this is going.
 
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