Rumors of Intel buying AMD are being taken very seriously...

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lilrayray69

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Yeah I've been hearing this "rumor" as far back as I can remember.

People keep saying that and that AMD will go bankrupt and cease to be, which is a possibility I suppose
 

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The "rumor" that Intel will buy AMD makes no sense. Why would Intel create a new "Iris" brand name for graphics only to supplant that with Radeon graphics? Why would Intel invest heavily in their own x86 Atom SoC's only to supplant that with AMD APU's? No, AMD will not be bought by Intel, but some other companies may be interested. At some point in the future, due to limited cash generation and substancial long-term debt due, AMD may need a cash infusion and may be inclined to settle (pun intended). At the end of the day, AMD stock is a speculative play (more so than many other big names in the industry), so don't bet the whole retirement savings on it
 
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Genx87

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The "rumor" that Intel will buy AMD makes no sense. Why would Intel create a new "Iris" brand name for graphics only to supplant that with Radeon graphics? Why would Intel invest heavily in their own x86 Atom SoC's only to supplant that with AMD APU's? No, AMD will not be bought by Intel, but some other companies may be interested. At some point in the future, due to limited cash generation and substancial long-term debt due, AMD may need a cash infusion and may be inclined to settle (pun intended). At the end of the day, AMD stock is a speculative play (more so than many other big names in the industry), so don't bet the whole retirement savings on it

Intel can gobble up AMDs IP portfolio and utilize what technologies are useful in their own designs.
 

ams23

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Intel can gobble up AMDs IP portfolio and utilize what technologies are useful in their own designs.

First of all, Intel is already licensing NVIDIA's GPU technology. Second of all, if Intel just wants IP from AMD, they would simply license it directly from AMD.
 

Genx87

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First of all, Intel is already licensing NVIDIA's GPU technology. Second of all, if Intel just wants IP from AMD, they would simply license it directly from AMD.

Are you under the impression Nvidia and AMD hold the same patents????
Intels view of gobbling up the IP portfolio would be to keep it out of the hands of competitors as well as using it for their own needs.
 

NTMBK

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First of all, Intel is already licensing NVIDIA's GPU technology. Second of all, if Intel just wants IP from AMD, they would simply license it directly from AMD.

Why would AMD license it to them?
 
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First of all AMD is competing. Why do you think you need to have the fastest to compete. They have the cheapest. This is competition working.

Also stop quoting anti competitive laws from the EU. The EU often stops purchases going ahead to maintain competition in the market.

Also AMD isnt goint bankrupt at the moment.

This is the EU doing exactly what im talking about

http://www.securitiestechnologymoni...tops-deutsche-boerse-nyse-merger-29941-1.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/jul/05/eu.globalisation

http://www.shippingonline.cn/news/newsContent.asp?id=26270

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...EU-blocks-Ryanair-takeover-of-Aer-Lingus.html

That doesnt seem to be helping amd, their losing money every quarter so how long do you think it will be till they are bankrupt. They need a turnaround to happen fast and start profiting by the end of the year or else I can see them filing for bankruptcy at some point next year.
 

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Are you under the impression Nvidia and AMD hold the same patents????
Intels view of gobbling up the IP portfolio would be to keep it out of the hands of competitors as well as using it for their own needs.

Buying up a 10,000+ employee company just to gobble up IP is unusual and easier said than done. The notion that Intel will purchase AMD is based on the false premise that Intel needs more graphics IP. Due to their licensing agreement with NVIDIA, Intel is not lacking at all in their access to advanced graphics IP.
 
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cytg111

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Making money is easy, but that isn't the point. The point is "how much time did it take to make money?".

Did it take you 20yrs to double your equity, or 2 days?

Why rumor after you bought, or when you need to sell, instead of waiting months and months? Answer is time, because you'd rather rumor now (and sell into the rumor) and then roll over your gains into a new investment opportunity quickly rather than having your capital tied up for a longer-than-necessary duration in AMD.


Remember this ?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100646197

"False Rumor of Explosion at White House Causes Stocks to Briefly Plunge; AP Confirms Its Twitter Feed Was Hacked"

And all the other s* on "High Frequency Trading" and the crisis.

These AI's are just not as smart as the human brain can be (yet), thus observing these bots over time we will be able determine a pattern of behavior and then... Then

1. Hack twitter
2. Marvel at my own mad l33t skillz
3. Profit

I dont know to what degree HFT is involved in inducing these swings on AMD stock, but i definitelywouldnt rule it out and i definitely wouldnt rule out those bots being manipulated by 3rd party.
 

aigomorla

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i wish i would have gotten in at the begining of this pump and dump

no u dont.

the people who traded at the very start of this is gonna get investigated for market manipulation.

what this did is a lot worse then u guys think.

imagine what would happen if a big portion of the shares were shorted after the rumor was confirmed false.
What do u think that would do to AMD?
 

cytg111

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no u dont.

the people who traded at the very start of this is gonna get investigated for market manipulation.

what this did is a lot worse then u guys think.

imagine what would happen if a big portion of the shares were shorted after the rumor was confirmed false.
What do u think that would do to AMD?

And these guys are generally not stupid, so they'll watch the volume, on both sides, and only make trades that'll be close to anonymous in the whole.
 

Fx1

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That doesnt seem to be helping amd, their losing money every quarter so how long do you think it will be till they are bankrupt. They need a turnaround to happen fast and start profiting by the end of the year or else I can see them filing for bankruptcy at some point next year.

Do you think EU cares about AMD? They are there to protect the market and consumer. If AMD goes to the wall then their IP will be up for sale. Intel could also be blocked from buying it for the same very reason.

We need someone like Qualcomm to buy AMD who can afford to turn the company around
 

aigomorla

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And these guys are generally not stupid, so they'll watch the volume, on both sides, and only make trades that'll be close to anonymous in the whole.

oh really u think the SEC and FINRA are that stupid?

Do you also think someone spent all this effort in spreading said rumor to only come out with lunch money in his pocket?
 

Denithor

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Sorry, haven't read the whole thread, might have been discussed previously, but -

I thought the license deal that allowed AMD to manufacture x86 CPUs would not transfer to new ownership if someone bought them out? Therefore they would be mostly useless or at best only worth the ATI IP if purchased by an outsider?
 

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Do you think EU cares about AMD? They are there to protect the market and consumer. If AMD goes to the wall then their IP will be up for sale. Intel could also be blocked from buying it for the same very reason.

We need someone like Qualcomm to buy AMD who can afford to turn the company around
Its certainly true that anyone outside the x86 & traditional PC market will benefit more from an acquisition of AMD than Intel buying them just for their IP ! If the likes of Samsung/Qualcomm/Apple get a hold of AMD then Intel will be in heaps of trouble because the HSA platform isn't just limited to x86 & imagine if an ARM behemoth gets a foot in the HPC/server market with this
 

formulav8

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If this was allowed to happen, I hope all of the people wanting Intel to wipe AMD out or enjoyed AMD's mess ups has fun the next few years. Their dream just might come true.

I just can't understand how it could happen. But we know Intel is very deep in bribing to get their way. Even though i'm an Intel stock holder, I hope this fails and will Not even close to happen. I never put money ahead of what is proper. Of course most other people would and do.


Jason
 

blackened23

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First of all, Intel is already licensing NVIDIA's GPU technology. Second of all, if Intel just wants IP from AMD, they would simply license it directly from AMD.

Uhm...no. Perhaps you should read what exactly happened with this licensing agreement between your firm and intel. What happened was the culmination of a years long court battle between nvidia and intel; nvidia wanted to use x86 (and produced chipsets, among other things) and intel wouldn't have it. Long story short, the end-result of this court battle (settlement) was a mutual decision that nvidia would never be able to use x86, but both companies shared various IP's which were mutually beneficial. Not all, some. Additionally, in the out of court settlement intel was forced to pay nvidia some 1.5 billion and change and admitted no wrong doing, and the case did not proceed further in the court system.

The assertion that a firm can simply license any IP it wants from another company is laughable. That isn't the case. That is so, SO far from being the case.
 
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ramj70

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oh really u think the SEC and FINRA are that stupid?

Do you also think someone spent all this effort in spreading said rumor to only come out with lunch money in his pocket?

Well like any organization they can be yes
 

aigomorla

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Well like any organization they can be yes

LOLOL....

i have no comment .... cuz i partially agree with you.

yet i fear them... cuz i am regulated up the ass by them at the same time.
 

R0H1T

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Uhm...LOL. Perhaps you should read what exactly happened with this licensing agreement between your firm and intel. What happened was the culmination of a years long court battle between nvidia and intel; nvidia wanted to use x86 (and produced chipsets, among other things) and intel wouldn't have it. Long story short, the end-result of this court battle (settlement) was a mutual decision that nvidia would never be able to use x86, but both companies shared various IP's which were mutually beneficial. Not all, some. Additionally, in the out of court settlement intel was forced to pay nvidia some 1.5 billion and change and admitted no wrong doing, and the case did not proceed further in the court system.

The assertion that a firm can simply license any IP it wants from another company is laughable. That isn't the case. That is so, SO far from being the case.
The assumption that most people have(on this thread at least) is that Intel licenses Nvidia IP but AFAIK that isn't case. Intel has some IP(graphics) that Nvidia has patented ~
http://pressroom.nvidia.com/easyir/...CE9F579F09&prid=706607&releasejsp=release_157

Its a "cross-licensing agreement" similar to what MS has signed with various Android manufacturers, more specifically Intel isn't using Nvidia tech in their stuff but has agreed to pay license for such implementation(s) that Nvidia has a patent on !
 
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aigomorla

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guys pure speculation here.

possibly... and i say possibly... can it be intel has lent AMD fabs?
Then at the FAB level they were tripping out cuz they were making AMD processors nodes.
Then some guy in the company leaked that info and it got twisted to Intel buying AMD?

Cuz in market regulation, once a rumor or speculation has hit public, the company is required by law to confirm if its true otherwise it becomes a inside information case and well, not even Martha Stewart was immune to that.

Since no confirmation from AMD was reported im about 90% sure this deal will bust.
If anything this deal will take so rediculously long that i expect antigravity machines to exist using antimatter b4 Intel merges with AMD.
 

R0H1T

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guys pure speculation here.

possibly... and i say possibly... can it be intel has lent AMD fabs?
Then at the FAB level they were tripping out cuz they were making AMD processors nodes.
Then some guy in the company leaked that info and it got twisted to Intel buying AMD?

Cuz in market regulation, once a rumor or speculation has hit public, the company is required by law to confirm if its true otherwise it becomes a inside information case and well, not even Martha Stewart was immune to that.

Since no confirmation from AMD was reported im about 90% sure this deal will bust.
If anything this deal will take so rediculously long that i expect antigravity machines to exist using antimatter b4 Intel merges with AMD.
Sure what next Intel making Kaveri at 14nm
 

aigomorla

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Sure what next Intel making Kaveri at 14nm

that would be totally irony.

Intel fabs creating the best cpu's from AMD. :sneaky:

Isnt that like sleeping with the enemy and bearing its children too?
 
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