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Centauri

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Yeah, you're missing a massive piece of internet browser history... What you're describing has absolutely nothing to do with the behavior that landed Microsoft in court and nearly had it broken up by the government.

'tis a story that demands another thread, however.
 

blackened23

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Yeah, you're missing a massive piece of internet browser history... What you're describing has absolutely nothing to do with the behavior that landed Microsoft in court and nearly had it broken up by the government.

'tis a story that demands another thread, however.

I was under the impression that the entire ordeal (anti trust lawsuits) took place during that timeframe. Guess not?

It would be ridiculous for the EU to have done something similar in recent years. Hardly anyone uses IE anymore. But, it's the EU you know? I kid, I kid
 
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I can understand its a grayzone. And personally I want a browser as default too. Maybe because I remember the days before.

However when that is said. It is a huge dominant tool to be able to use. And Microsoft choose to abuse it to promote their own products.

That is what I dont understand-- what was the damage done by bundling IE with windows. Like I said, it is not like they prevented you from downloading and using any other browser that was available.

That WOULD be abusive. And no one was even forcing you to use IE or even go on the internet if you didnt want to.
 

Fx1

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The EU cant block two US companies from merging they can just say no to them selling products in Europe. I doubt this merger would even happen to begin with either but you seem to view the EU as all mighty and powerful and doesnt care about anyone as long as theirs competition. The US system isnt great but the EU is far from perfect.

The EU already did.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/eu-blocks-ges-honeywell-deal

The US said yes and the EU said no. Bush threw a tantrum and the deal never happened.

The EU is the largest economy in the world.

And yes the EU can arrest any director which refuses to comply with an EU ruling. They can also sieze assets if you fail to pay the fines. Many American companies keep cash outside of America because Corp Tax in the US is huge compared to Ireland for example. Look at what just happened in Cyprus when they seized peoples savings to help bailout cyprus.

The EU is a bunch of unelected bureaucrats. If you think your politicians are dangerous then you have never met these lot.
 

Piroko

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The EU is a bunch of unelected bureaucrats. If you think your politicians are dangerous then you have never met these lot.
Different mentality I guess. In the EU bureaucrats can go on idiotic rampages, in the U.S. it's unreasonable lawsuits you have to fear. Prime example is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants
Or still remember the accelerating Audis? 700 accidents were connected to it in the U.S. with dozens of lawsuits, none in the EU.
 

Fx1

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Different mentality I guess. In the EU bureaucrats can go on idiotic rampages, in the U.S. it's unreasonable lawsuits you have to fear. Prime example is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants
Or still remember the accelerating Audis? 700 accidents were connected to it in the U.S. with dozens of lawsuits, none in the EU.

Yes US is the lawsuit capital of the world.

The EU has a lot of regulators which generally come down on companies rather than legal action being taken.

We dont have class action here either which isnt very good.
 

SiliconWars

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Some companies need strong regulation or they'd just get even more abusive. The EU is the only government with the balls to do it.

If Intel bought AMD it would be a disaster for the consumer - that's who the EU is looking out for. Some of you need to get over your little fanboy wars and realise that you don't want Intel and AMD merging for your own benefit.
 
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Arkadrel

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AMD Announces Commencement of Exchange Offer for its 7.50% Senior Notes

http://www.techpowerup.com/183513/a...exchange-offer-for-its-7-50-senior-notes.html


it has commenced a registered exchange offer to exchange any and all of its outstanding 7.50% Senior Notes due 2022, which were issued in a private placement (the "Private Notes,") for an equal principal amount of new 7.50% Senior Notes due 2022 that have been registered under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the "Registered Notes").
So their converting old senior Notes, to new ones, in the same amount.

Why are they doing that?


The sole purpose of the exchange offer is to fulfill AMD's obligations with respect to the registration of the Private Notes. Pursuant to a registration rights agreement entered into by AMD in connection with the sale of the Private Notes, AMD agreed to file with the Securities and Exchange Commission a registration statement relating to the exchange offer pursuant to which AMD would offer to exchange any Private Notes tendered by the holders of those notes for Registered Notes containing terms that are substantially identical to the Private Notes.
So it has something to do with the "terms" of the notes.

Without knowing what terms the old and new ones are,
its hard to understand what the point of the article is, or understand the reasoning for it (the exchange).

Someone with more business sense than me, explain what is happending?
 
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galego

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I can understand its a grayzone. And personally I want a browser as default too. Maybe because I remember the days before.

No grayzone but clear as cristal.

In the first place Microsoft invented ways to difficult the removal of IE from Windows up to a point that they claimed that removing Internet Explorer from Windows would result in system instability. This claim was showjn to be bogus and some computer scientist released a freeware tool to remove IE from Windows: IEradicator.

In the second place Microsoft agreed with the EU that it would provide esay ways to allow users to choice alternative browsers. This worked up to Windows 7 SP1 when BrowserChoice.eu was dropped and remained absent for 14 months despite Microsoft reporting that it was still present. As a result, in March 2013 the European Commission fined Microsoft €561 million to deter companies from reneging on settlement promises.
 
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No grayzone but clear as cristal.

In the first place Microsoft invented ways to difficult the removal of IE from Windows up to a point that they claimed that removing Internet Explorer from Windows would result in system instability. This claim was showjn to be bogus and some computer scientist released a freeware tool to remove IE from Windows: IEradicator.

In the second place Microsoft agreed with the EU that it would provide esay ways to allow users to choice alternative browsers. This worked up to Windows 7 SP1 when BrowserChoice.eu was dropped and remained absent for 14 months despite Microsoft reporting that it was still present. As a result, in March 2013 the European Commission fined Microsoft €561 million to deter companies from reneging on settlement promises.

Again, why would you want to remove IE? If you don't like it, don't use it. What harm is done having the program there? As far as alternative browsers, how hard could it be just download it and run it.
 

blackened23

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Not to mention, it isn't 2001 anymore. IE isn't a good browser, i'm not sure why anyone would use it.

Back in 2001 there were compelling arguments about IE and the lack of competition, because that competition (netscape) was a joke. Even though that wasn't necessarily MS' fault - the competition just wasn't making enough effort at that time to stay relevant. That isn't applicable any longer. The competition is better than IE. But hey, if certain countries want to fine MS to fund their socialism, okay if you say so. It's about getting money and nothing more.
 

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Not to mention, it isn't 2001 anymore. IE isn't a good browser, i'm not sure why anyone would use it.

Why isn't IE a good browser?

Well, I use Firefox. For the look and feel, plus I'm totally used to it.

But If I had to choose from IE10 or Chrome...I would have a hard time picking one =/
 

Phynaz

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How many times AMD has been out of business or did buy by competence?

At least twice.

First time when they issued additional shares and diluted their existing share holders by 25% (I was hit by this). Second time when Abu Dhabi came in with a bunch of cash. In both cases AMD was knocking on the door of bankruptcy.
 
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Wall Street

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So their converting old senior Notes, to new ones, in the same amount.

Why are they doing that?


So it has something to do with the "terms" of the notes.

Without knowing what terms the old and new ones are,
its hard to understand what the point of the article is, or understand the reasoning for it (the exchange).

Someone with more business sense than me, explain what is happending?

The new notes are registered, making them available to average investors. The previous note only sold to certain accredited investors. Generally, accredited investors are seen by the law as having enough sophistication to not require the protections that registered securities provide. Overall, this registration of the notes is not a big deal and falls under the "happens every day" category.
 
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The EU already did.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/eu-blocks-ges-honeywell-deal

The US said yes and the EU said no. Bush threw a tantrum and the deal never happened.

The EU is the largest economy in the world.

And yes the EU can arrest any director which refuses to comply with an EU ruling. They can also sieze assets if you fail to pay the fines. Many American companies keep cash outside of America because Corp Tax in the US is huge compared to Ireland for example. Look at what just happened in Cyprus when they seized peoples savings to help bailout cyprus.

The EU is a bunch of unelected bureaucrats. If you think your politicians are dangerous then you have never met these lot.

Well it appears they can but only if they have a presence in europe, if it was US only they couldnt do anything. I actually like the quickness of the EU in some things like this but its also the same reason why I dont care for it either. They seem to go after companies a little too much in my opinion while I think the US doesnt do enough in looking into mergers.
 

Fx1

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Well it appears they can but only if they have a presence in europe, if it was US only they couldnt do anything. I actually like the quickness of the EU in some things like this but its also the same reason why I dont care for it either. They seem to go after companies a little too much in my opinion while I think the US doesnt do enough in looking into mergers.

Yes domestic only companies wont come up on the EU radar.
 

Wall Street

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I would say that Europe is more restrictive at looking into mergers. However, Europe also is more lax on tax havens. Look how much money money is locked up in Ireland and Luxembourg because it would be taxed if repatriated into the U.S./Germany/France/Asia, etc. Many major international companies funnel profits through Ireland to avoid taxes.
 

Vesku

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This entire rumor seems like something dreamed up by some finance guys with loads of AMD shares looking to pump up the price for a nice sell off. Why go through a bunch of regulatory scrutiny to buy a company when you'd just end up deep sixing most of it's products and are quite heavily invested in a different GPU tech?

If they're going to go through all the hassle wouldn't they be better off trying to acquire Nvidia?
 
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blackened23

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If they're going to go through all the hassle wouldn't they be better off trying to acquire Nvidia?

Intel and nvidia are not friends at all, and I can't see JHH ceding his company to intel. Hell, he likes running nvidia - it's his baby. He wants his brand in every possible visual computing application in existence, he's a very aspiring person. Anyway.... Aside from that, the court battle they had a couple of years back was fairly ugly. They're definitely not on friendly terms.

But, the rumor is likely not true anyway. I personally feel it would be good if true. (intel acquiring AMD, that is.)
 

RampantAndroid

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Ok, but could block the products in the EU market, which means that the hypothetical purchase would not do them more competitive, but just the contrary.

First off, if Intel were buying AMD, they'd likely talk to the EU first to find out what hoops they'd have to jump through.

Second...the day the EU blocks the sale of x86 based chips (at least, for the next 3-4 years) is the day hell will freeze over, pigs will fly and I become a billionaire.
 

Ajay

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What is the title of this thread? Maybe it should be moved to P&N...
 

Fx1

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I would say that Europe is more restrictive at looking into mergers. However, Europe also is more lax on tax havens. Look how much money money is locked up in Ireland and Luxembourg because it would be taxed if repatriated into the U.S./Germany/France/Asia, etc. Many major international companies funnel profits through Ireland to avoid taxes.

Each member has the rights to set its own tax rates...

Lets face it, with the exception of Guinness who buys anything from Ireland?

They have to attract people and companies somehow and they do that with 15% Corporation Tax

Basically robbing the UK and USA of huge sums in taxes
 

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Exactly this. Computing isn't x86 exclusive anymore, in fact the "average" consumer who isn't an enthusiast is much much more likely to buy an ARM SOC as their primary computing device. There are still a few users and enthusiasts like us left for desktop (desktops are my thing, I love them... I hate that they're in decline so it pains me to say that..), but unfortunately new consumers just aren't buying desktops as their first computer or gateway computing device. Therefore wintel isn't a monopoly in the computing world. This is a stark contrast to 10 years ago where everyone bought a new wintel PC for their primary computing device. Heck, everyone in my extended family bought a PC for their computing needs 10-15 years ago. Now they all buy tablets. You see where i'm going with this? x86 isn't the dominant force anymore, therefore not a monopoly. AMD being acquired by intel would change that very little.

Also as mentioned, there's a strong likelihood of AMD going out of business without some help. The rumors could very well be completely untrue (actually it seems likely untrue), but if they are true it would be good for AMD IMO. Perhaps it's just a method to spur trading as IDC mentioned, who knows.

This is definitely true.

Most people on this forum will be extremely knowledgeable specialist in x86 with years of history on x86 platforms. This is all changing and the future is a market of low power ARM type devices, hence Intel going hell for leather on the power down + performance devices for the mobile market.

Only time will tell, but I don't think tablets are a fad - just watch an episode of Star Trek N-Gen to see how long people have yearned for devices they can hold in their paws

Intel would be risking getting bogged down trying to swallow AMD, regardless of the price or potential benefits (which are few). It would excite us lot, but not the people who value Intel's stock price for sure. It doesn't fit into their declared strategy or any good strategy that I can think of. Only the gfx would be of potential interest - but I just can't see it.

It stinks of a (hedge)fund trying to push the price up to help them with an exit. I'm tempted myself to have a punt come Monday morning.

EDIT: Except this is from last week
 
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