maybe you should read the article jackass
"Too many people believe overclocking is "safe" as long as they don't increase their processor core voltage - not true. Frequency increases drive higher load temperatures, which reduces useful life."
Right, so you want to prove that overclocking does damage by linking to an article demonstrating how over-volting does damage? You don't need to over-volt to get a 300MHz increase, and a 1-2C increase in CPU temps won't degrade a chip. At this point, if you're gonna argue about temps, room temperature will make more of a difference than the OC. A mild OC on stock voltage won't do anything to a chip.
If it's machines in a home office or home business you're gonna support yourself instead of an enterprise, there's no problem with a mild OC.
But leave it to you to spread paranoia and BS.
What it says. He's always spreading BS. If you're paranoid over a chip increasing in temps by 1-2C and being degraded in any significant matter by a 300MHz OC, you're a moron. The amount of degradation over-volting with OCing causes is an order of a magnitude higher than what a mild OC with no over-volting will.
What it says. He's always spreading BS. If you're paranoid over a chip increasing in temps by 1-2C and being degraded in any significant matter by a 300MHz OC, you're a moron. The amount of degradation over-volting with OCing causes is an order of a magnitude higher than what a mild OC with no over-volting will.
You are still unable to grasp the term "enterprise" and how it affects IT and stuff like uptime / data integrity / TOC...stuck in your enthusiast mindset...and you point the finger at others?
Mindboggling...to say the least.
TL;DR
You ignorant in one field and you run of and display your ignorance in yet another field and claim others have it wrong
I have provided links, from our own webiste to backup my statements. All you have done is resort to personal attacks and zero data to backup your claims. Also i never said a 1-2c difference would effect the chip long term i just said temp is just as much of a factor as voltage. I think its obvious who is spreading BS.
You provided "proof" for an argument that was never made. I was arguing over mild OCs with no over-volting. The article was arguing over how over-volting degrades CPUs and by how much and in what time-frame. If you're not over-volting the article does not apply. Are you gonna be arguing now over the chip degrading from the mild OC in 20 years? Get a clue of the context of my arguments and get back to me.
do you know how to read? this line is in the article:
"Too many people believe overclocking is "safe" as long as they don't increase their processor core voltage - not true. Frequency increases drive higher load temperatures, which reduces useful life."
How are you able to read english and not think this is talking about when you DO NOT over volt?
Voltage is not the only thing which effects lifespan.
Which is a point I already countered. A 300MHz OC will result in 1-2C increase of full load temperatures. Going from 65C to 67C on a stock Core i5 2500 cooler at full load will theoretically decrease its lifespan. But that's the problem. The argument they're making is theoretical and not practical. In the real world, the CPU will probably last more than 20 years. Room temperature will make more difference in temps than the OC will.
And if you're so concerned about temperatures, you can just buy a cheap air cooler like a Corsair A50 and temps will drop by more than 10C, thus meaning the CPU with the original clocks + stock cooler should theoretically last less.
Speaking of OCing, the rumor that I heard (from where I can't remember?) is that the respin was to improve clocks, but not stock clocks, but overclocking head room.
Here's hoping that's true...
Given the recent Tom's normalized benchmarks, I think it is pretty clear that if BD can get near Nehalem IPC BD should be a winner. It is going to be very interesting seeing BD benchmarks, because I expect it is going to lose horribly in some synthetic benchmarks, given BD's peak maintainable throughput (PER CORE) is lower than even K10... Average IPC should increase though. And if CodeAnalyst on my machine is any indication, IPC has a lot of room to grow.
All i was ever saying is that temps and voltage will both degrade a CPU. You seem to think only voltage will degrade a CPU.
I provided an article that agrees that it is not "safe" to overclock even without voltage increase.
Why would you do something which is unsafe to a machine you rely on to make money?
Im all for overclocking on gaming/personal computers. I've overclocked every CPU/GPU i have ever owned. I have personally burned out CPU's/Mobos over the years pushing the limits so i know first hand how unsafe of a practice it is, and would never do it on a machine i relied on to make money. Either on a large corporate scale or even at home.
But leave it to you to spread paranoia and BS.
Anyway, you should try to stop getting this thread derailed further, especially since what you're arguing over I've already addressed in the thread.
If you're paranoid over a chip increasing in temps by 1-2C and being degraded in any significant matter by a 300MHz OC, you're a moron.
You are still unable to grasp the term "reading comprehension" and how it affects the stupidity you just wrote.
Get a clue of the context of my arguments and get back to me.
I'd heavily advise people that administer and service the computers themselves in their home or home business to do a mild OC with no additional voltage if it's a recent CPU. It will increase efficiency by a good amount with no side effects, apart from very slightly higher temps.
First of all I'd like to apologize for starting this firestorm as I was only expressing my personal view about what I do or don't do to the computer that pays my rent. However, as for convincing "home business" people to OC:
1) I assure you that at least 95% and possibly 99% of all home business people think OC is Orange County and wouldn't know how to set up an overclock if you paid them.
2) That same percentage would look upon the prospect of doing that with fear, anxiety, and very possibly panic.
No one is to be blamed for any of this as we all have our own perspectives. As a non gamer non OCer primarily business user, OCing is simply not an option. I'm not going to void my warranty and I'm not even going to take the 0.00000000000000001% chance that I'm going to fry something one nanosecond before it was going to go south by itself anyway. My computer makes me earn a three figure per hour rate when I'm consulting (not full time... I'm not rich unfortunately) and if I want faster performance I'll pay for the box stock version of it and leave it that way. I'm NOT saying that people who OC are wrong but they are in the overwhelming minority (as measured among all installed PCs on the planet) and I can't see any scenario that would change that and increase the current "bare minority" status. Again, that's just IMHO.
Do you find this approach works to get people to listen to and understand your viewpoint?
OverClocking is not dangerous, ignorance and overzealous/stupidity is dangerous.
CPUs don't really die except if on a very particular occasion a power surge occurs and the PSU doesn't do its job or if you short out the motherboard and it takes the CPU with it. If the CPU dies not because it was OCed (which it won't) they'll replace it.
But from what I'm reading you're just kinda worried about non-issues like something frying. The CPU is only running 5W higher; nothing's gonna fry. If the CPU dies while OCed but not because it was OCed they'll replace it. Buying the "somewhat higher-end" version these days is just paying to get what would be equivalent to a small OC. Notice how the " somewhat higher-end" versions run at higher wattage than the ones with slightly lower clock speeds and the same wattage as if you took the slightly slower one and OCed it to the same clocks. In reality only the extremely high-end parts are higher binned than the lower-end ones. For example, from a Phenom II X4 955 you get an average OC of 4-4.2GHz, while on a Phenom II X4 980 you get an OC of 4.3-4.5GHz. Obviously I'm not arguing over doing heavy OCs like this for a machine you'll use for work; it's just to say that the lower clocked chips are simply there not because of worst binning but to fill the market in lower price points.
I don't know what to say. Perhaps sorry that you're so worried about a non-issue? But anyway, it's your choice. I'm just saying you'll get better efficiency out of a mild OC.
There is nothing wrong with homosexuality. It is a lifestyle choice which I fully support. I have homosexual friends who are just wonderful. It's great for the people who love to make love to their own gender, I support them, I will defend them against their detractors, and I will do everything in my power to ensure that they are never discriminated against.
But I aint gonna jump in the sack with a guy.
And I aint gonna OC my business PC.
And all the discussions of the benefit by all the OCers in the world are not going to convince me otherwise. ()
Yay for being narrow minded. Alright, off into ignore.
Frankly I'm not worried about service life.
As mentioned earlier, silent corruption is the real killer. Bad data in a business? Lights out.
With all due respect and appreciation for your perspective could you please tell me why I have to be pressed into adopting your viewpoint and insulted when I do not? You are making arguments which are no more compelling than those made by my homosexual friends in that I really should "try it". I'm not going to engage in either of these pursuits. Homosexuality because I like chicks ONLY... and OCing because I have not seen any evidence presented by you or the countless other OCers in the well over a decade since I've first engaged in these types of OC vs. No OC debates that it does not shorten service life. If OCers were so convinced that it was a non-issue why has no one ever (to the best of my knowledge) set up this experiment:
Purchase three identical computers
Leave one box stock
Set up one at a MILD OC
Set up one at a KILLER OC but still on air
Set each up at the same day to run Folding (or some other high steady load) 24/7
Keep them running for however many years it will take until they die.
Publish the results
Until then it's just your word that it's safe. Well, I don't know you, and although I respect your opinions, that does not mean that I'm going to clone them for myself.