Rumour: Bulldozer 50% Faster than Core i7 and Phenom II.

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dma0991

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The funny thing is that after 1900 posts in this thread I don't really know anymore about Bulldozer than I did before the thread started. I really wasted probably days of my life reading through all this speculation. I think I should make a change on how I spend my time

I don't know about you but I gained more insight about Bulldozer than any other threads from other forums. Speculations have been made and now all that is left is for Bulldozer to come out. 32 more days to go. :thumbsup:
 

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AMD processors have always been able to decode "enough" immediates, because the decoders are symmetric.
BD might have a separate immediate/displacement const unit and one related patent mentioned that it might store 4 32b values in its registers or combine them to store two 64b values. Open64/GCC BD related code dispatch optimization code suggests, that this might really be the case.
 

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You registered five years ago and just made your first two posts?

Is that a record?


SocketF / June of 06. C2D / No post / BD close to release. / YOU waited along time to join the fanboy pit. BD must be giving ya goosies,
 

SickBeast

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How did he even know about Socket F in 2006? Perhaps he is an engineer.

Welcome back, by the way, Nemesis. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

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This thread simply will not give up the ghost.

I think even after BD is out in 3 weeks and on sale we will still not know how it performs AMD is that stuck in its NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW mentality. WTF AMD is all i have to say!

If this thing is a flop i'm going to buy the next 22nm Nvidia card. when i comes out and i know how it performs!
 
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Possible FX 8 core processors results leaked.

What I see is a benchmark that is limited to about 4 threads, and a 4 module/ 8 core Bulldozer performing the same as the i7 2600k SB model. Which is good I suppose.
The beauty of Bulldozer is the flexibility to up the MHZ in apps that can not scale to 8 cores, and really put the hammer down in apps that do............. Photoshop anyone?
 

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This chart has been posted 3 times in this thread already. The majority of the last 3-4 pages were talking about these results and how likely they were to be real or not.

Even if they are/were 100% legit results, the chances of them being reflective of retail/shipping motherboard BIOSes and CPU steppings (including requisite microcode) rapidly approaches zero with every day that stands between the date of the bench leak and the date of retail availability of the CPU/platform on Newegg.

Leaked benchmarks, being the static snapshots they are of a very dynamic iterative optimization cycle that transpires right before a product launch, are worse than worthless IMO as they are virtually assured of being irrelevant to the performance of the product we ultimately have the opportunity to purchase whenever it is finally released.

(this is even more apropos when GPU elements are involved, performance is moving target based on monthly driver releases even after the hardware goes retail)
 

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If you had a decent sized set of pre-release benchmarks over a period of time they might be a useful indicator of how the architecture is shaping up and might be able to predict end performance with more accuracy.

Of course no one has such a set and it's rare enough to get even one authentic benchmark so the potential usefulness is rather moot.
 

formulav8

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IDC is at least kinda right.

When Anand was messing around well before AM2 was being released he was talking about how he got multiple pre-release cpu's and each newer one he got improved (In some area at least) until the last one or so pre-release chips (He said the first one or 2 he got was WELL below even socket 939 performance. In the end AM2 gave about a 3-4% increase in a few area's over s939).

Likwise before Barcy-Opty was released Anand (I think it was him) talked about working with the pre-release Barcy chips and how each one would have certain flags/featured disabled/enabled, ect... And performance was very different from the first revisions to the release versions.

So depending on how old the pre-release chip being used is, the performance could be quite different compared to released silly.


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exar333

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This chart has been posted 3 times in this thread already. The majority of the last 3-4 pages were talking about these results and how likely they were to be real or not.

No kidding.

How about we create a chart that says to buy a $70 Celeron + $70 GPU because it is SO MUCH FASTER at folding vs. a $200 6-core PHII? The comparisons here are just as absurd as that graph.
 

formulav8

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According to that graph (as I understand it) then the FX-8 core is only 30% faster than a 6 core PhII? If that bench is up to 8 threads, then BD looks blah.

If the bench is up to 4 threads only, then BD looks blah since the turbo clockspeeds are supposed to be much higher than PhII turbo. So AMD will be counting on much higher clockspeeds just to beat their previous flag-ships? :thumbsdown:

So at best that bench is only showing a 30% increase over their previous flagship cpu? Hopefully I don't understand the graph and/or the graph is a fake.


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Martimus

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According to that graph (as I understand it) then the FX-8 core is only 30% faster than a 6 core PhII? If that bench is up to 8 threads, then BD looks blah.

If the bench is up to 4 threads only, then BD looks blah since the turbo clockspeeds are supposed to be much higher than PhII turbo. So AMD will be counting on much higher clockspeeds just to beat their previous flag-ships? :thumbsdown:

So at best that bench is only showing a 30% increase over their previous flagship cpu? Hopefully I don't understand the graph and/or the graph is a fake.


Jason

As I stated in an earlier post, the even more disturbing metric is that the fastest Llano processor (The A8) is 30% slower than the fastest Thuban. It also shows it being 70% slower than both the i7-2600k and the fastest BD processor rated.

These measures really call into question the validity of this graph, as they just don't make much sense.
 

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As I stated in an earlier post, the even more disturbing metric is that the fastest Llano processor (The A8) is 30% slower than the fastest Thuban. It also shows it being 70% slower than both the i7-2600k and the fastest BD processor rated.

These measures really call into question the validity of this graph, as they just don't make much sense.

They are highly likely to be mobile parts however.
 

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Even if they are/were 100% legit results, the chances of them being reflective of retail/shipping motherboard BIOSes and CPU steppings (including requisite microcode) rapidly approaches zero with every day that stands between the date of the bench leak and the date of retail availability of the CPU/platform on Newegg.

Leaked benchmarks, being the static snapshots they are of a very dynamic iterative optimization cycle that transpires right before a product launch, are worse than worthless IMO as they are virtually assured of being irrelevant to the performance of the product we ultimately have the opportunity to purchase whenever it is finally released.

(this is even more apropos when GPU elements are involved, performance is moving target based on monthly driver releases even after the hardware goes retail)

Agreed, but keeping in mind the spirit of this thread .. here are a few more leaks.





 
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