Rumour: Trinity 50% Faster than Llano

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At the AMD Fusion Development Summit (AFDS), Advanced Micro Devices for the first time demonstrated its next-generation code-named Trinity accelerated processing unit (APU) in action. This is the first evidence that the chip, which will be released as AMD's mainstream solution in 2012, is already working. The product is expected to be 50% faster than existing offerings. Read more in link.

And they may even have a working version of their next generation chip out befor their current next gen chip is even out! .. strange!

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...Be_at_Least_50_Faster_than_Llano_Company.html

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Kinda funny to already see them talking about this when they just released Llano for Mainstream. For now, I just want to see Bulldozer being launched and reviewed since every day feels like a year.

 

[Dark Shroud]

That wouldn't surprise me considering Llano is using AMD's older architecture instead of Bulldozer or Bobcat cores.

 

[Borealis7]

Here We Go Again

 

[khon]

Well it'll have to be, because right now it's just plain slow (at least the CPU part).

As Anand put it: "Even in heavily-threaded benchmarks where quad-core CPUs can shine, dual-core i5 processors are still typically 30% faster than the A8-3500"

 

[podspi]

I think they're just talking about the FLOPs.

Bonus points to OP if this thread lasts until Trinity is released

 

[Morg.]

I'd say it's already pitiful if it doesn't do more than 50% better .. but w/e

 

[Skurge]

If they mean 50% for both gpu and apu then it means almost nothing.

 

[Morg.]

If they mean 50% for both gpu and apu then it means almost nothing.

I respectfully disagree ... if it means 50% for gpu / apu, it means 50% more for all games, which is still the one main reason a consumer would need performance from their pc.

 

[Mopetar]

It would have to be considering that Bulldozer is supposed to be 50% more powerful than their previous generation. Now it's just a question of how Bulldozer is going to pan out.

 

[Riek]

If they mean 50% for both gpu and apu then it means almost nothing.

?? seriously?

So 50% more performance within the same TDP and same manufacturing process??

 

[Arzachel]

The GPU will probably be VLIW4, but I don't think it'll have much more execution units. Much more is to be gained from improving the CPU and getting rid of the memory bottleneck.

 

[piesquared]

lol @ intel minions. too bad y'all didn't put a little more effort into figuring out how to build a proper GPU. Heterogeneous computing is the next wave without a doubt, and FSA is where developers want to be. What a massive shift in progress, and intel is dead last in it.

 

[grimpr]

lol @ intel minions. too bad y'all didn't put a little more effort into figuring out how to build a proper GPU. Heterogeneous computing is the next wave without a doubt, and FSA is where developers want to be. What a massive shift in progress, and intel is dead last in it.

Rest assured that Intel will have the last laugh, expect surprises.

 

[piesquared]

Rest assured that Intel will have the last laugh, expect surprises.

No doubt there are more surprises coming from many.

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I'll make a couple guesses.

Intel tries to aquire NV, Jen Hsun Huang becomes new CEO of AMD.

AMD has a huge lead in OpenCL, where the industry is headed, and MS is working with AMD on a new compiler supporting C++ AMP.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Inte's CPU cores have top notch OpenCL performance. Last I heard Intel also had not cancelled their White Knight project. They could slap together a cluster of cores on to a card and call it a OpenCL compute card.

That being said I look forward to getting some AMD APU laptops & netbooks for various family members.

 

[formulav8]

I hope Intel doesn't try to get nvidia. That would be a majorly bad thing imo. It would probably be blocked by the government anyways. Jen I could NOT see stepping down as CEO. He always wants to be in the middle of it all.

Edit: I could see Intel and nVidia working more closely together. Intel will pay anything to be able to stay competive with AMD on the gpu front.

 

[formulav8]

Rest assured that Intel will have the last laugh, expect surprises.

Unless you know something way out in the ballpark I can't think of anything that Intel can do with their current igps (unless you mean something else?)

Thats probably why they are delaying IB so they can get native opencl computing, and beefier gpu in general.

 

[Idontcare]

lol @ intel minions.

I am hopeful that the level of discourse in this thread, and the rest of the CPU subforum, can remain significantly above this level of inflammatory hubris...(that goes for the "zoner" pot-shots as well)

 

[guskline]

It is sad how marketing wings of manufacturers throw out claims of 50% faster than... and the than just got released. I have been a loyal AMD fan but the entire Bulldozer debacle - yes debacle- has made me seriously think about Intel for my next build. Tired of the false hopes.

 

[Mopetar]

It is sad how marketing wings of manufacturers throw out claims of 50% faster than... and the than just got released. I have been a loyal AMD fan but the entire Bulldozer debacle - yes debacle- has made me seriously think about Intel for my next build. Tired of the false hopes.

How was this not immediately obvious given that there's another thread on this very same forum where quite some time ago AMD made claims that Bulldozer was 50% more powerful than their current Phenom chips? Considering that Llano uses almost the exact same Stars cores that are found in Phenom chips, the next AMD APU which contains BD cores should also be similarly more powerful, even if the GPU doesn't become significantly better.

Also, be this time next year, the GF 32nm process is going to be a lot more mature, allowing for higher clock speeds. Unless Bulldozer turns out to be a monumental flop, it's fairly likely that you're actually going to see a rather large increase in performance. Besides, if it does flop, you probably won't have to worry about whether or not you want to use AMD for your next build because I don't think that they'll be around.

 

[exar333]

How was this not immediately obvious given that there's another thread on this very same forum where quite some time ago AMD made claims that Bulldozer was 50% more powerful than their current Phenom chips? Considering that Llano uses almost the exact same Stars cores that are found in Phenom chips, the next AMD APU which contains BD cores should also be similarly more powerful, even if the GPU doesn't become significantly better.

Also, be this time next year, the GF 32nm process is going to be a lot more mature, allowing for higher clock speeds. Unless Bulldozer turns out to be a monumental flop, it's fairly likely that you're actually going to see a rather large increase in performance. Besides, if it does flop, you probably won't have to worry about whether or not you want to use AMD for your next build because I don't think that they'll be around.

AMD can still keep riding PhII if BD is a flop!

 

[podspi]

How was this not immediately obvious given that there's another thread on this very same forum where quite some time ago AMD made claims that Bulldozer was 50% more powerful than their current Phenom chips? Considering that Llano uses almost the exact same Stars cores that are found in Phenom chips, the next AMD APU which contains BD cores should also be similarly more powerful, even if the GPU doesn't become significantly better.

Also, be this time next year, the GF 32nm process is going to be a lot more mature, allowing for higher clock speeds. Unless Bulldozer turns out to be a monumental flop, it's fairly likely that you're actually going to see a rather large increase in performance. Besides, if it does flop, you probably won't have to worry about whether or not you want to use AMD for your next build because I don't think that they'll be around.

Pretty much everything with the Radeon name attached to it, including Bobcat has been a wild success, and I expect Llano do be a wild success as well, so I don't think AMD is going anywhere.

However, as others have said, I do agree that if Bulldozer ends up being a total flop, it will mark AMD's retreat from the high-end/server market. Honestly, if BD is a flop (as opposed to the multiples we're hoping ^_^ ) I wouldn't be surprised if AMD reversed its decision to make ARM cores. I think they could be quite successful in that market.

 

[Lonbjerg]

So 50% more meh?

 

[yottabit]

As Anand put it: "Even in heavily-threaded benchmarks where quad-core CPUs can shine, dual-core i5 processors are still typically 30% faster than the A8-3500"

This is the biggest issue I see. A 4 "module" bulldozer needs to at least land between a dual core and a quad core SB in terms of performance in order for me to buy one. If it can only match the dual core even in multithreaded apps, that is going to be a serious problem.

At very best, I would love to see BD match SB's performance. Then we'd probably see a refresh by Intel with higher stock clocks, and AMD would lower their prices in return. But I feel that is unlikely...

If the APU itself is 50% faster over Llano, then I think that would put it around the performance of a 9600gt, which would be pretty nice