Rumsfeld reportedly told Bush Iraq strategy was failing

[LumbergTech]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/02/rumsfeld.memo.reut/index.html

"Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told President Bush before he resigned that the administration's strategy in Iraq was not working and he proposed changes, including possible troop reductions, The New York Times reported Saturday." ...continued @ link

wow..this sort of blows my mind....it makes him sound almost...sane..

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
wow..this sort of blows my mind....it makes him sound almost...sane..

Nah! A sane man would have realized it was bullsh8 from the beginning. :roll:

 

[bobdelt]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
wow..this sort of blows my mind....it makes him sound almost...sane..

Nah! A sane man would have realized it was bullsh8 from the beginning. :roll:

so all of congress is insane, especially ted kennedy and john kerry-my own 2 sleazy senators...? oh wait, i already knew that.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: bobdelt
so all of congress is insane, especially ted kennedy and john kerry-my own 2 sleazy senators...? oh wait, i already knew that.

Get a grip, think back, and try to remember it was administration liars that spoon fed their bogus and selected "intelligence" info to Congress, and Ronald Dumbsfeld was one of the lying traitors cooking up their witches brew of bogus "evidence" to convince Congress to go along with the fiasco.

The fact remains that the Bushwhackos were the lying traitors who led us into it and the ones who gave the orders to pull the trigger.

Dumbsfeld was the one who told us it would be "a cakewalk," and the Iraqi's would welcome us with flowers. He didn't tell us every bouquet contained a roadside bomb and every delivery guy was a suicide bomber.

Dumbsfeld's the one who igonred General Eric Shinsecki's warning that it would take 300,000 - 400,000 troops to do the job, instead of the 50,000 the Dumbsfeld thought it would take.

There are only four possiblities. He's crazy, he's dumber than a rock, he's such a malevolent mofo that he doesn't give a damn about the consequenses, or some combination of the first three possiblities.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: bobdelt
so all of congress is insane, especially ted kennedy and john kerry-my own 2 sleazy senators...? oh wait, i already knew that.

They only voted to give Bush the authority to go to war if it was necessary, which of course it was not.

Bush "the decider" made the final decision to start feeding our soldiers into the meat grinder, and made the decision to "stay the course" and keep feeding them in.

 

[UberNeuman]

So, Donny decided once he was leaving his post that NOW there's problems!

/if that don't take the cake, I don't know what does....

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: bobdelt
so all of congress is insane, especially ted kennedy and john kerry-my own 2 sleazy senators...? oh wait, i already knew that.

They only voted to give Bush the authority to go to war if it was necessary, which of course it was not.

Bush "the decider" made the final decision to start feeding our soldiers into the meat grinder, and made the decision to "stay the course" and keep feeding them in.

This is what a lot of people don't understand. Having the authority to use force if necessary is not a mandate to do so. Basically Bush (and his bunch of neocons) fooled congress into giving him that authority knowing fully well that they had decided to do so in the first place.

He will probably go down in history as one of the worst presidents and rightfully so.

 

[tomywishbone]

rumsfield hasn't told the truth in six years; why start now? Clearly rumsfield is warming up his war crimes trial defense. Too bad for him Johnny Cochren is gone.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: bobdelt

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
wow..this sort of blows my mind....it makes him sound almost...sane..

Nah! A sane man would have realized it was bullsh8 from the beginning. :roll:

so all of congress is insane, especially ted kennedy and john kerry-my own 2 sleazy senators...? oh wait, i already knew that.

They votes for letting Bush use pressure to get the inspectors in - not to go to war if they did.

Bush promised them the vote would not mean war if the inspectors could deal with WMD.

He lied.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Get a grip, think back, and try to remember it was administration liars that spoon fed their bogus and selected "intelligence" info to Congress, and Ronald Dumbsfeld was one of the lying traitors cooking up their witches brew of bogus "evidence" to convince Congress to go along with the fiasco.

Cherry pick intelligence and then blame the intelligence gatherers when its "wrong".

 

[Lemon law]

The dumb Donald--- Rumsfeld is the idiot who cooked up the go light strategy---despite warnings from Shenseki---who he fired for not agreeing with his genius.

Dumsfeld knew Saddam was a paper tiger hence his cooking intel was a giant lie---but the go light strategy IS THE ONE FACTOR THAT ALLOWED THE INSURGENCY TO GROW.

Now that we are finally rid of the man-----why is anyone paying any attention to what he says now?

The only excellent hecka a job the morally bankrupt Rumsfeld ever did was to totally discredit himself in the past six years---and lets leave it at that.--with good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: bobdelt
so all of congress is insane, especially ted kennedy and john kerry-my own 2 sleazy senators...? oh wait, i already knew that.

They only voted to give Bush the authority to go to war if it was necessary, which of course it was not.

Bush "the decider" made the final decision to start feeding our soldiers into the meat grinder, and made the decision to "stay the course" and keep feeding them in.

And everyone and their dead grandmother knew that we were going to war with Iraq if that authorization was passed. The Democrats knew we were going to go to war with Iraq.

 

[conjur]

Total fvcking BS.


Rumsfeld and the WH are doing some CYA.


No fcking way that torture-loving asshat submitted ANYTHING of the sort!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: bobdelt
so all of congress is insane, especially ted kennedy and john kerry-my own 2 sleazy senators...? oh wait, i already knew that.

They only voted to give Bush the authority to go to war if it was necessary, which of course it was not.

Bush "the decider" made the final decision to start feeding our soldiers into the meat grinder, and made the decision to "stay the course" and keep feeding them in.

And everyone and their dead grandmother knew that we were going to war with Iraq if that authorization was passed. The Democrats knew we were going to go to war with Iraq.

Hi, Miss Cleo!!

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: bobdelt

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
wow..this sort of blows my mind....it makes him sound almost...sane..

Nah! A sane man would have realized it was bullsh8 from the beginning. :roll:

so all of congress is insane, especially ted kennedy and john kerry-my own 2 sleazy senators...? oh wait, i already knew that.

I know you already answered your own question, but yes they are all insane. Just go watch C-Span for a while.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/02/rumsfeld.memo.reut/index.html

"Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told President Bush before he resigned that the administration's strategy in Iraq was not working and he proposed changes, including possible troop reductions, The New York Times reported Saturday." ...continued @ link

wow..this sort of blows my mind....it makes him sound almost...sane..

Or is this an example of cya? If the merde really hits the fan over the Iraqi war, Rumsfeld can say he warned Bush...

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: bobdelt

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
wow..this sort of blows my mind....it makes him sound almost...sane..

Nah! A sane man would have realized it was bullsh8 from the beginning. :roll:

so all of congress is insane, especially ted kennedy and john kerry-my own 2 sleazy senators...? oh wait, i already knew that.

Last time I checked, Kennedy didn't vote for the Iraqi War resolution.

 

[Jhhnn]

The Iraq war resolution was passed under two flags-

1.- An exquisite campaign of fearmongering and agitprop wrt 9/11, Terrar, Nukes, Wmd's, yada, yada, yada... If you didn't vote for it, you were obviously a terrarist sympathizer, an appeaser, or worse...

2.- That the Admin wanted it to "pressure" Saddam into complying with UN Inspections, not actually go to war, you silly boys... Gotta put on a strong front to convince 'em we mean business...

Bait and switch on at least 2 different levels, a con-job from start to finish. The Bushistas wanted to invade Iraq before they got thru the door of the Whitehouse, and simply exploited the situation to do so... with whatever means at their disposal. They're big fans of the "noble lie" theory of government...

Rumsfeld? Just a guy trying desperately to tell the boss what he wants to hear, and ultimately being unable to do so. Now he's the goat, the sacrifice. The whole invasion of Iraq was irrational, a shared delusion among the Neocon elite, a symptom of their fundamental disconnect from reality... a manifestation of psychopathic arrogance.

 

[DealMonkey]

Wow, a classified memo from the "No Sh!t" files . . . ahhhh, poor Rumsfeld. About three years too late. Color me not surprised.

 

[Moonbeam]

The decider has to undecide.

 

[Thump553]

The Decider (R) did decide. Rumsfeld gave him a memo questioning the war strategy. Three days later Rumsfeld is out on his ear. To top it off, their was a sizeable majority of opponents blaming the progress of the war on Rumsfeld and calling for his head.

It was a win-win situation for GWB-he sh*tcans an insider who was "turning" on him, while at the same time appearing to be conciliatory and flexible to his critics.

I think GWB's performance in the press conference at Lebanon is the most telling. Stay the course will be the policy until the end of the GWB administration.

 

[bobdelt]

Ok so maybe Bush cherry picked US intelligence... (even though it seemed like to everyone there was substantial evidence, especially kicking out the UN inspectors...), but how he did control the british intelligence?

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: bobdelt
Ok so maybe Bush cherry picked US intelligence... (even though it seemed like to everyone there was substantial evidence, especially kicking out the UN inspectors...), but how he did control the british intelligence?

Talk about passing the buck...

 

[Lemon law]

This failure of the international intelligence community shows that they are just like the rest of us---and can be fooled by mass hysteria also. After gulf war one, Saddam had his vaunted army decimated---and hence was nothing but a shell of his former self---so Saddam also ended up benefiting by puffing up his non-existent wmd---because without that fictional deterrent, someone else in the mid-east might get the bright idea he was a paper tiger---and then decide to invade.

But intelligence gathering--especially without human assets on the ground---is somewhat like looking through someones trash can---and lets say I look through your trash can and discover this mass mailing hawking magazine subscriptions---and one of the offered choices is guns and ammo---could I then conclude you were a gun nut?---with an arsenal of guns,
even without knowing if you subscribed to that magazine or not?

What is often not mentioned is that the international intelligence community already had much evidence that Saddam did not have WMD, that the buying Uranium from Niger was a forgery, and that the buying of Aluminum tubes was not being used for a nuclear program---but all of that is conveniently being ignored when we bad mouth the ENTIRE international
intelligence community. So amend that to the conclusion that the international community was unsure---and had to consider the possibility that Saddam might still have a WMD program.

Only those who were totally uninformed, intellectually dishonest, and sought to politise intel let that conclusion morph to Saddam did have WMD as a slam dunk certainty. And as a litmus test---we should all access the competence of our still standing intelligence officers and ask---if a given person believed that then, and believed that as a certainty---should we retain them in their current capacity? With give them the old heave ho the logical answer.---to make room for their replacements who should be more skeptical types who will dig deeper for the truth.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: bobdelt
Ok so maybe Bush cherry picked US intelligence... (even though it seemed like to everyone there was substantial evidence, especially kicking out the UN inspectors...), but how he did control the british intelligence?

That argument holds no water because British Intelligence thought the evidence was "thin" and the phony argument about the UN inspectors being kicked out is a complete lie consider that the inspectors were in Iraq crushing Al Samoud missiles on television just days before the invasion. In fact, those missiles were being crushed on MSNBC and on Fox there was the Shrub claiming that those same UN inspectors didn't exist inside Iraq.