Rumsfeld says he won't resign

babylon5

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Rumsfeld says he won't resign

By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, coming under renewed fire for his management of the Iraq war, said Sunday he is not considering resigning and said the president had called him personally in recent days to express his continued support.

Speaking to reporters en route to Nicaragua for a meeting of defense ministers, Rumsfeld said he was not surprised by reports in a new book that White House staff had encouraged President Bush to fire him after the 2004 election.

"It's the task of the chief of staff of the White House ? and having been one, I know that ? to raise all kinds of questions with the president and think through different ways of approaching things," Rumsfeld said. "So it wouldn't surprise me a bit if that subject had come up."

Asked by reporters if he had recently considered resigning, Rumsfeld said, "No."

In the new book "State of Denial," Washington Post assistant managing editor Bob Woodward writes that former White House chief of staff Andrew Card twice sought to persuade Bush to fire Rumsfeld.

Card on Friday did not dispute that he had talked about a Rumsfeld resignation with the president but said it was his job to discuss a wide range of possible replacements, including his own.

Rumsfeld on Sunday also denied any rift with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and said the ongoing debate doesn't detract from his work with other international leaders.

He said he had spoken to Bush since the book's contents were made public. Bush "called me personally," said Rumsfeld, to voice support.

Rumsfeld has previously acknowledged that he twice offered Bush his resignation, but it was not accepted.

The defense secretary and Bush have faced growing criticism for their handling of the Iraq war as violence there has escalated, U.S. casualties have mounted and public support for the conflict has declined. Fueling the debate in recent days was the release of a classified intelligence report that concluded that the Iraq war has helped fuel a new generation of extremists and increased the overall terrorist threat.

Just back from a five-day trip to the Balkan region, which included a NATO defense ministers meeting in Slovenia, Rumsfeld arrived in Nicaragua Sunday afternoon for two days of meetings with defense officials from more than 30 South and Central American countries.

The talks here ? in one of the Western Hemisphere's poorest countries ? are expected to focus on counter-narcotics and counterterrorism efforts, peacekeeping missions, humanitarian and disaster relief and the removal of land mines from the region.

The meeting of the region's defense ministers follows a tense period in which Venezuela's leaders lashed out at the U.S. and President Bush during a U.N. meeting in New York City. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called Bush "the devil" and slammed U.S. leaders for trying to block his country from taking a seat on the U.N. Security Council.

Rumsfeld said Sunday he did not expect to meet privately with the Venezuelan defense minister, although he will see him during the regular meeting.

U.S. officials have long considered Chavez a destabilizing force in Latin America. And they have suggested that Venezuela would make the U.N. Security Council unworkable if the nation were to win its bid against U.S.-backed Guatemala for a rotating council seat.

Also of interest to U.S. leaders is the possibility that Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega, whose socialist government was a major antagonist of the United States in the 1980s, has been leading in the polls for the upcoming Nicaraguan presidential election.

Ortega led the overthrow of dictator Anastasio Somoza in 1979 and fought the U.S.-backed Contra rebels as Nicaragua's president from 1985-90.

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Pabster

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As well he shouldn't.

He's being made a scapegoat for liberals who can't get anything on Bush and are now desperate for election time tactics.

Rumsfeld isn't elected, he's appointed by the President and serves at his request.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
If you were one of the Commanders in 1930's Germany, would you resign???
Calling the current administration fascists...
Yet liberals in the other thread complain about the labels conservatives give them...such a double standard.
 

Craig234

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Pabster, as in all his political posts, gets it wrong again.

Rumsfeld is not being made a scapegoat. He's being criticized for legitimate mistakes he made. The president is providing cover for Rumsfeld, not holding him accountable.

It was Rumsfeld's call on a long list of major screwups. Many generals and other military are highly critical of Rumsfled for good reason. I'm not about to say that the military should get to say who the secretary of defense is, but they have a lot of useful information offer for this situation.

As for the simplistic post above, 'calling names' isn't all good or all bad, the issue of whether the accusation is true or not has some relevance.
 

LegendKiller

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Gee, the guy who ignores all of his military commanders, enters into a false war, orders the dismissal of the Iraqi armed forces, screws up post-invasion Iraq, and shows a generally poor attitude to listening to his troops, won't resign?

Do you think that a person who has f'd up his job and ignores all signs and advice will actually admit his f up and resign? No, we must take everything down with us!
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
If you were one of the Commanders in 1930's Germany, would you resign???
Calling the current administration fascists...
Yet liberals in the other thread complain about the labels conservatives give them...such a double standard.

He never called anybody anything, it is you who are doing the labeling. I guess if the shoe fits??
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
If you were one of the Commanders in 1930's Germany, would you resign???
Calling the current administration fascists...
Yet liberals in the other thread complain about the labels conservatives give them...such a double standard.
He never called anybody anything, it is you who are doing the labeling. I guess if the shoe fits??
Comparing Rumsfeld to commanders in 1930's Germany?
Not a label?

I am not doing any labelling
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
If you were one of the Commanders in 1930's Germany, would you resign???
Calling the current administration fascists...
Yet liberals in the other thread complain about the labels conservatives give them...such a double standard.
He never called anybody anything, it is you who are doing the labeling. I guess if the shoe fits??
Comparing Rumsfeld to commanders in 1930's Germany?
Not a label?

I am not doing any labelling

I don't see how comparing Rumsfield to Commanders in 1930'as Germany has anything to do with calling someone a fascist. He was comparing they kind of power they both weild, not their political ideology.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
If you were one of the Commanders in 1930's Germany, would you resign???
Calling the current administration fascists...
Yet liberals in the other thread complain about the labels conservatives give them...such a double standard.
He never called anybody anything, it is you who are doing the labeling. I guess if the shoe fits??
Comparing Rumsfeld to commanders in 1930's Germany?
Not a label?

I am not doing any labelling
I don't see how comparing Rumsfield to Commanders in 1930'as Germany has anything to do with calling someone a fascist. He was comparing they kind of power they both weild, not their political ideology.
I'm sure...:roll:
Dave is just sweet, innocent and misunderstood.
 

LegendKiller

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It'd probably be more accurate to compare them to Japanese generals. Loyal to the core, misguided, stupid, and ignorant to the suffering of their people.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
If you were one of the Commanders in 1930's Germany, would you resign???
Calling the current administration fascists...
Yet liberals in the other thread complain about the labels conservatives give them...such a double standard.
He never called anybody anything, it is you who are doing the labeling. I guess if the shoe fits??
Comparing Rumsfeld to commanders in 1930's Germany?
Not a label?

I am not doing any labelling
I don't see how comparing Rumsfield to Commanders in 1930'as Germany has anything to do with calling someone a fascist. He was comparing they kind of power they both weild, not their political ideology.
I'm sure...:roll:
Dave is just sweet, innocent and misunderstood.

Like I said before, if the shoe fits??
 

Stunt

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Is that all 1EZduzit? I'm personally getting tired of your misguided rants and trolling.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Is that all 1EZduzit? I'm personally getting tired of your misguided rants and trolling.

Then stop YOUR misguided rants and trolling.

Dave never called anybody a fascist, you were trying to put words in his mouth. Maybe Dave was infering that? I don't know because I can't read his mind, but apparently you can.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Is that all 1EZduzit? I'm personally getting tired of your misguided rants and trolling.

Lucky for you God gave you something called "free will", you can actually use it to do amazing things, like ignore posts, ignore people, or just not visit a thread. Amazingly, this power is given to everybody, so you aren't very special. However, most can and do utilize this power often, perhaps you need an instruction manual?

 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: Pabster
As well he shouldn't.

He's being made a scapegoat for liberals who can't get anything on Bush and are now desperate for election time tactics.

Rumsfeld isn't elected, he's appointed by the President and serves at his request.

You mean liberals like all the generals that have said he should be removed, Andy Card the former chief of staff, and the most liberal of all the liberals Laura Bush????
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Stunt
Is that all 1EZduzit? I'm personally getting tired of your misguided rants and trolling.
Then stop YOUR misguided rants and trolling.

Dave never called anybody a fascist, you were trying to put words in his mouth. Maybe Dave was infering that? I don't know because I can't read his mind, but apparently you can.
Didn't stop you from defending and making excuses for him.
Enjoy the fluff-fest
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Stunt
Is that all 1EZduzit? I'm personally getting tired of your misguided rants and trolling.
Lucky for you God gave you something called "free will", you can actually use it to do amazing things, like ignore posts, ignore people, or just not visit a thread. Amazingly, this power is given to everybody, so you aren't very special. However, most can and do utilize this power often, perhaps you need an instruction manual?
Somebody has to tell them the honest truth.
I am not about to ignore personal comments like they ignore reality.
 

straightalker

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
If you were one of the Commanders in 1930's Germany, would you resign???

Very accurate correlation.

Talk out there of boosting troop levels overseas in the Iraq/Afghan War Theatre to .25 million USA troops is circulating around within the military itself. For that to happen with no national draft, it's estimated to require scraping to the bare bone the last remaining warm bodies in the USA able to suit up in desert camo and sling a rifle.

That's begining to sound like 1945 Germany. Will they start shipping ROTC cadets over and kids as young as age 12? To defend the Fatherland?

 

Rainsford

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Apr 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: Pabster
As well he shouldn't.

He's being made a scapegoat for liberals who can't get anything on Bush and are now desperate for election time tactics.

Rumsfeld isn't elected, he's appointed by the President and serves at his request.

When a war is going badly and you blame the secretary of defense, you aren't "making him a scapegoat". Making sure military operations run smoothly isn't like some sort of unrelated hobby, it's his JOB, and if he's doing it poorly, I don't see why Bush is keeping him around.
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Stunt
Is that all 1EZduzit? I'm personally getting tired of your misguided rants and trolling.
Then stop YOUR misguided rants and trolling.

Dave never called anybody a fascist, you were trying to put words in his mouth. Maybe Dave was infering that? I don't know because I can't read his mind, but apparently you can.
Didn't stop you from defending and making excuses for him.
Enjoy the fluff-fest


Excuses? If anybody needs excuses made for them, it's you.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: tommywishbone
He's civil service. You can't fire him and he won't quit. Big surprise.
Ummm no, he is a political appointee, Bush can fire him any time he wants.

Thanks for trying though, now run along
 

ProfJohn

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I know it is irrelevant to most of you, but Rumsfeld has more experience than any Defense Secretary has had in years.
He was a pilot in the Navy and was a reservist from 1957 to 1975
After being in congress he was Ambassador to NATO
Was Chief of Staff to Ford and Sec of Defense from 1975-77

While the situation in Iraq is certainly a mess. A lot of the "fire" Rumsfeld movement comes from within the Pentagon where he is not very popular because of a lot of his programs to transform the military.
On top of that as Nixon said "He's a ruthless little bastard. You can be sure of that."

I would not be surprised to find that one of the reasons Bush has not gotten rid of him is the political hit he would take in doing so.

BTW: Cheney was also Secretary of Defense, for a Presidency with two former Secretaries of Defense this one sure seems to have some major issues.
 
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