Run OS X on x86

[MadRat]

Damn so sorry to hear its beta still - must mean I cannot run Redhat with VMWare with Pear with OS X?? Damn the luck!

 

[Shamrock]

you guys need to read more carefully...it's beta...and the version is .1 (yes DOT one, not 1.0) I'm sure the speed will increase with newer versions. would be nice to run OSX on an x86 machine

 

[n0cmonkey]

We noticed that. Didn't phase us in the slightest. Still waiting for Jobs to call and tell me OS X sales went up but machine sales stayed the same.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
you guys need to read more carefully...it's beta...and the version is .1 (yes DOT one, not 1.0) I'm sure the speed will increase with newer versions. would be nice to run OSX on an x86 machine

Actually probably won't increase very much at all. I'll probably be a bit faster eventually, maybe only being 20-30x slower then the current x40 times slower, but it will always be slow.

Software emulation of hardware is extremely slow, you can cut corners and make specifc applications run faster, but then it's not a honest emulation. That's why when you have projects like Wine (running windows applications inside linux) they stress very much that it is NOT emulation and they run programs at near native speeds.

A good x86 hardware emulator is Bochs.

Then there are other types of emulators. There are emulators that emulate operating systems. There are a few Dos emulators that are designed to run DOS-only programs, for instance.

Then another thing along a similar vein is VIRTUAL MACHINES. These are not emulators, but are virtual computers's inside your PC and instead of emulating everything they set up fake hardware resources and maps them to real hardware resources so you can run multiple operating systems at the same time.

Vmware is one popular one for PCs.

One for OS X on PPC hardware is Mac-on-Linux so you can run OS X inside of linux if your running linux on a PowerPC computer.

The difference is that you can run only native-type OSes in a virtual machine, since your not doing any real emulation.

With a emulator you can run any OS on any machine that the emulator is ported to.

 

[MadRat]

I'd be more likely to use OS X and a MAC if it wasn't for the missing righthand buttons on the mice.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: MadRat
I'd be more likely to use OS X and a MAC if it wasn't for the missing righthand buttons on the mice.

I don't know about you, but like any good geek I have an extra USB mouse laying around doing nothing. It's a logitech. It works fine on my iBook, until I realized it was easier to use with only one button.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: MadRat
I'd be more likely to use OS X and a MAC if it wasn't for the missing righthand buttons on the mice.

I don't know about you, but like any good geek I have an extra USB mouse laying around doing nothing. It's a logitech. It works fine on my iBook, until I realized it was easier to use with only one button.

Bah. One button enthusiasm is a good sign of brainwashing... You drank too deeply of the Apple kool-aid, my freind.


Apple's OSes do support multiple button mice if you want to have the extra buttons used for something. They just don't supply them as default out of tradition.

They would probably charge a extra 50 bucks for each new button you want, anyways.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: drag

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: MadRat
I'd be more likely to use OS X and a MAC if it wasn't for the missing righthand buttons on the mice.

I don't know about you, but like any good geek I have an extra USB mouse laying around doing nothing. It's a logitech. It works fine on my iBook, until I realized it was easier to use with only one button.

Bah. One button enthusiasm is a good sign of brainwashing... You drank too deeply of the Apple kool-aid, my freind.

Oh YEAH! :kool-aid man;

Ok, I feel old now.

Apple's OSes do support multiple button mice if you want to have the extra buttons used for something.

You can right click by holding one of the buttons on the keyboard down (I forget which one off hand, since I just do it instinctively on the iBook now) and clicking. Since the key exists on the left side (and right side I think) of the keyboard, I can do this without any real extra effort since my hands are usually on the keyboard anyhow.

They just don't supply them as default out of tradition.

They would probably charge a extra 50 bucks for each new button you want, anyways.

Sure.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Some of us Mac users own PCs as well, and would like to run OS X on them. Besides, OS X is the greatest OS ever to be created, sucka.

At 1/40th of the speed, I doubt anyone would like using OS X on x86.

Mac users wouldn't notice they are already use to machine that run that slow.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Some of us Mac users own PCs as well, and would like to run OS X on them. Besides, OS X is the greatest OS ever to be created, sucka.

At 1/40th of the speed, I doubt anyone would like using OS X on x86.

Mac users wouldn't notice they are already use to machine that run that slow.

dual 2ghz G5 will run circles around anything you have at your house. The benchmarks were on par with dual 3ghz xenon.

I have both mac (I've had a powermac 800mhz and just bought a 500mhz powermac) and a pc (dell 400sc 2.8ghz ht). The 2.8 will emulate ppc at about 70mhz

So in terms of usability, the powermac runs osx just a wee bit faster. I just gotta get me a dual 500 or single 800+ mhz chip off ebay and ill be happy. Plus its gonna replace my aging filerster ... sun ultra 10 @300mhz

 

[Nothinman]

dual 2ghz G5 will run circles around anything you have at your house. The benchmarks were on par with dual 3ghz xenon.

Yes and it will also cost more than my car, sorry but it's not worth the money. I'd just end up running Linux on it anyway and I can do that on far cheaper hardware.

 

[chsh1ca]

Originally posted by: spamsk8r
Some of us Mac users own PCs as well, and would like to run OS X on them. Besides, OS X is the greatest OS ever to be created, sucka.

Mmmhmmm. OSX, greatest OS ever to be created. Which OSX would this be? 10.1, 10.2, or 10.3? Apple certainly has got quite the following. Not only are they willing to get shafted on the price, but also the upgrades too. The worst part is they LIKE it.

Anyway, my point wasn't to trash macs, but honestly, if you are a person who didn't buy a mac in the first place, I really don't see why you'd want an emulator. Counter to your point drag, dev houses IME rarely develop software an an emulation-only atmosphere, so that use will be minimal at best. Obviously there is some kind of need for it, but I mean, emulation-wise, I can't see it being terribly fast ever, let alone now.

As for the mouse thing, I once watched a Mac-only friend of mine (the type who insisted macs were the best thing ever while he was bitching about how he could only buy PC-133 RAM for his "DDR" G4) try to play Quake III on my box. My 5 Button MS Explorer Optical kinda had him flippin out, especially since I had bound a whole bunch of stuff you actually need to do to those other buttons. I will simply say that it is much easier to adapt to 1 button after using 5 than it is to adapt to 5 after using 1.

Originally posted by: halik
dual 2ghz G5 will run circles around anything you have at your house. The benchmarks were on par with dual 3ghz xenon.

That's awful assumptive of you. He could have a dual Opteron 246/248 box there, which would be faster than your dual G5s at many things. Which benchmarks are these?

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: chsh1ca

Originally posted by: spamsk8r
Some of us Mac users own PCs as well, and would like to run OS X on them. Besides, OS X is the greatest OS ever to be created, sucka.

Mmmhmmm. OSX, greatest OS ever to be created. Which OSX would this be? 10.1, 10.2, or 10.3? Apple certainly has got quite the following. Not only are they willing to get shafted on the price, but also the upgrades too. The worst part is they LIKE it.

Anyway, my point wasn't to trash macs, but honestly, if you are a person who didn't buy a mac in the first place, I really don't see why you'd want an emulator. Counter to your point drag, dev houses IME rarely develop software an an emulation-only atmosphere, so that use will be minimal at best. Obviously there is some kind of need for it, but I mean, emulation-wise, I can't see it being terribly fast ever, let alone now.

I doubt it was intented to be used by big developement centers. I would think it would be very obvious that buying a Mac would be a hell of a lot cheaper then making programmers wait 5 hours for a OS to boot up

But I think it was for more informal settings, were you have a guy who is building aplications under one platform, but want to know how some bit of programming acts under another one.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: chsh1ca
Mmmhmmm. OSX, greatest OS ever to be created. Which OSX would this be? 10.1, 10.2, or 10.3? Apple certainly has got quite the following. Not only are they willing to get shafted on the price, but also the upgrades too. The worst part is they LIKE it.

ummm there are people that bought NT 4, NT 5, and NT 5.1.

Anyways, the idiots had to make this into x86 vs PPC so I'm done. I don't see why this has to happen every time.