Run OS X on x86

drag

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This is a project to get PowerPC emulation in x86 to run OS X

It's thru software emulation so this thing is going to be painfully slow, probably. But would still be fun to play around with if you want OS X running inside your Windows or Linux OS.

They just released their version 0.1 just a while ago and that was their first release ever, so expect severe bugs.

screenshots

Have fun.

Oh, you also need a valid OS X install cd to get it going, so I suppose it's time to be nice to your Mac freinds.
 

n0cmonkey

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Come on, where are all of the people that said they would buy Mac OS X if it ran on x86?
 

Olias

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I thought OS X was just a desktop manager running on some flavor of a *nix kernel? That being said... for a x86 PC just use Linux with KDE or Gnome.
 

Barnaby W. Füi

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Originally posted by: Olias
I thought OS X was just a desktop manager running on some flavor of a *nix kernel? That being said... for a x86 PC just use Linux with KDE or Gnome.

Linux + KDE or Gnome is a FAR cry from OSX.
 

Nothinman

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I thought OS X was just a desktop manager running on some flavor of a *nix kernel? That being said... for a x86 PC just use Linux with KDE or Gnome.

There's a lot more to it than that like the sh!tty NetInfo crap.

Linux + KDE or Gnome is a FAR cry from OSX.

Which is a good thing, the OS X UI is extremely annoying.

Sure, if it runs NATIVELY

Even emulated wouldn't be too bad if it wasn't as 1/40th of native speeds.

OS X is available for $120 for 1 copy, and I think $199 for 5 licenses.

But the EULA says you have to use it on an Apple computer, so you're illegal anyway so why pay for it?
 

spyordie007

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Actually according to this page it runs about 1/500th the speed of the host. A far cry away from considering it usable for anything productive.
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I think I had a 550mhz athlon in 1999.

Haha, your computer was slightly behind the curve 5 years ago.

I'll bet you feel pretty small now, my friend.
 

gsaldivar

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Dumb move? They are a solutions company, not an OS company.

Riiiiiiiight. I forgot - they want you to buy the entire system or nothing at all.

*puts wallet away*
 

drag

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Originally posted by: gsaldivar
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Dumb move? They are a solutions company, not an OS company.

Riiiiiiiight. I forgot - they want you to buy the entire system or nothing at all.

*puts wallet away*

Well that's the correct term for what they do. They sell computer systems, not hardware or software.

The only company that sells OSes is Microsoft, and their near-monopoly status is the only thing that keeps them profitable.

Everybody else (possibly with the exception of Sun Solaris x86) you get the OS with the hardware.

IBM, HP, Apple, Sun etc etc.

Even linux companies like Redhat don't try to sell OSes anymore, they sell service/support contracts along with a very small handfull of liscences for closed source software.

The fact that those companies charge anything at all for OSes is more of a combination of:

1. If people pay for it they mistakenly assume that it is worth more, or is more "professional". A peice of software that is 500 dollars is obviously better, right?

2. Your paying for part of the support, and often thru a monthly/quarterly/yearly liscencing fee.

3. They charge instictively out of habit. They make people pay for everything, so they charge for the OS,
too.

The idea that Apple charges for a new version of OS X is kinda of a throw back to the bad old days.

Just like how MS charges for a Exchange server even though the point of it is mostly just to keep them buying Windows and Office (were they make their real money).

I don't see anybody flipping out that you have to run Exchange (or how about HalfLife the video game) on a Windows OS, and you can't run it on Solaris or FreeBSD.

It's the same exact thing with OS X and Apple's hardware.

In a few years companies will end up saying: "Give us $$$$$ and we make/have something that does what you want.". Nobody will give much of a damn about hardware, software, OSes or whatever. A OS "is just a program that runs your computer" will be the attitude.
 

chsh1ca

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Drag, have you seen MS' recent ideas on how much people should be paying for SQL Server 2000? They have gone the Oracle pricing route, and if I was going to fork over that much, why not just buy Oracle?

As for the software in question, why would you want to run OSX through an emulator? I can understand Mac users wanting a PC emulator, but why the reverse? If there is no compelling reason to buy a Mac, what is the compelling reason to run MacOSX on a PC?
 

drag

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Originally posted by: chsh1ca
Drag, have you seen MS' recent ideas on how much people should be paying for SQL Server 2000? They have gone the Oracle pricing route, and if I was going to fork over that much, why not just buy Oracle?

Well that's cool. Like with "Access" (mostly only aviable with the highest priced Office versions) MS is going the "quick suicide" route and making all it's best products unobtainable by the average person while putting it in the same pricing leage of software they have no business competing with.

(just kidding just kidding)

Well the situation could of definately changed since I last researched it, but MS traditionally made money from 3 things: 1. Windows, 2. Office, 3. Investing in the stock market and I can understand MS's desire to widen it's profitable software portfolio vs loss-leader-lets-keep-people-buying-Windows-and-Office software portfolio.

Actually, to be honest, I wouldn't like to see MS fail completely, just 30-40% fail. Just enough so that other people can actually be in a position to get enough market share to get on a level playing feild as far as competition in concerned with Windows.

For instance i've screwed around with Access lately and even though the database stuff itself sucks, the Application is great and makes good sense for the people it's targeting (secretaries, solo accountants, small business owners etc. etc.). MS could have a nice survival path thru making nice Applications if they are smart enough not to get locked into a Windows death spiral.

Now if they could do that (MS Access-type front end, I mean) for people running simple MySQL-type databases then you would realy have something usefull. A nice system for handling normal small-medium business data, flexible enough to handle unusual requirements and also offering a nice upgrade path to bigger and better things if the company continues to grow.

But then again, what do I know? (a: Not much.)

As for the software in question, why would you want to run OSX through an emulator? I can understand Mac users wanting a PC emulator, but why the reverse? If there is no compelling reason to buy a Mac, what is the compelling reason to run MacOSX on a PC?

Not very much I can think of, which is why there aren't more products like this.

Mostly I think it would be for software developement people, emulator would allow you to test out ideas and things in a Apple-based PPC enviroment without actually having to have a Apple computer handy all the time. Plus having it very slow may sometimes make debuggging a little bit easier.
Whatever...


But, by golly, the people wanted OS X on x86, and now they can have it!

With PearPC the minimal system requirements for good performance on x86 for OS X is roughly equvalent or slightly more then the requirements for Longhorn, so people now have another thing to look forward to with those 6ghz multi-core desktop PCs with 16gigs of RAM and 250,000RPM disks. (I kid, I kid!)
 

spamsk8r

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Originally posted by: chsh1ca
Drag, have you seen MS' recent ideas on how much people should be paying for SQL Server 2000? They have gone the Oracle pricing route, and if I was going to fork over that much, why not just buy Oracle?

As for the software in question, why would you want to run OSX through an emulator? I can understand Mac users wanting a PC emulator, but why the reverse? If there is no compelling reason to buy a Mac, what is the compelling reason to run MacOSX on a PC?

Some of us Mac users own PCs as well, and would like to run OS X on them. Besides, OS X is the greatest OS ever to be created, sucka.
 

Nothinman

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Some of us Mac users own PCs as well, and would like to run OS X on them. Besides, OS X is the greatest OS ever to be created, sucka.

At 1/40th of the speed, I doubt anyone would like using OS X on x86.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: spamsk8r
Originally posted by: chsh1ca
Drag, have you seen MS' recent ideas on how much people should be paying for SQL Server 2000? They have gone the Oracle pricing route, and if I was going to fork over that much, why not just buy Oracle?

As for the software in question, why would you want to run OSX through an emulator? I can understand Mac users wanting a PC emulator, but why the reverse? If there is no compelling reason to buy a Mac, what is the compelling reason to run MacOSX on a PC?

Some of us Mac users own PCs as well, and would like to run OS X on them. Besides, OS X is the greatest OS ever to be created, sucka.

You'd have to qualify that statement. You could say "OS X is the best desktop OS ever created, sucka." But you'd still be wrong. BeOS was just heavenly.

Or you can consider subjective and let people think what they want to think while secretly "knowing the truth."
 

drag

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Or you can consider subjective and let people think what they want to think while secretly "knowing the truth."


That's just GREAT... *sigh*

What the world needs right now is ANOTHER guy with the Debian-user attitude.


(Drag "knows the truth")
 
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