Running Out Of Ballots In SE Michigan

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compuwiz1

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I haven't been in a physical voting booth in years. Who does that anymore? I've been returning my ballots by mail. Stepping into a voting booth is like seeing the old lady, at the grocery store, who still writes checks. And she smells like stale cat shit and cigarettes, too.
 

HomerJS

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Orange Fatass wastes time and taxpayer money with his bullshit voter fraud commission when we need one to set NATIONAL VOTING STANDARDS!!! WTF is wrong with this country? That should be a top priority.
 
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Thump553

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Before the GOP "election reform" after Scrub's 2000 election we used ballot booths where you flipped levers. Same thing used for fifty years or so. Each machine kept an independent audit trail. If a machine broke down mid-election and couldn't be immediately fixed, it's pushed to the side and the others still work.

Those machines were widespread-I voted in Midwest and New England elections on them. They were banned as part of the so-called reform because they were old technology and it was supposedly getting harder to find qualified repairmen.

We've had this ballot shortage problem almost every election since then somewhere in my state. The ballots are expensive (over a buck each) and while the state oversees the process the local jurisdiction pays for them so they try to order "just enough."

Personally I'd love to see an honest, actual reform consisting of (a) bringing back those machines, (b) barring gerrymandering nation wide and (c) an honest, free, to get voter ID card that is readily available to all eligible persons.

That will never happen though. The GOP long concluded (rightfully) that low voter turnout usually favors them and they have been on a relentless, decades long campaign to suppress the vote (but not blatantly, for that is widely perceived as Un-American).
 

Vic

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I haven't been in a physical voting booth in years. Who does that anymore? I've been returning my ballots by mail. Stepping into a voting booth is like seeing the old lady, at the grocery store, who still writes checks. And she smells like stale cat shit and cigarettes, too.

Only 3 states (OR, WA, CO) have universal vote by mail. An additional 27 states allow "no excuse" absentee voting, but voters have to register for it months in advance, and in most cases, have to re-register for every single election (only 8 states allow permanent absentee voting status).
The remaining 20 states (including Michigan) require that voters show up at the polling places on election day or provide some kind of "good cause" to receive an absentee ballot.
So using your analogy, everyone in those 20 states is being required to still write checks because the old lady doesn't like change.
 

hal2kilo

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Feb 24, 2009
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NY uses paper ballots too - bubble in your choice and the ballot gets scanned. Leaves a nice paper trail.
Same here, but we just mail them in, or drop them off at several convenient secured ballot drop off boxes.
 
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hal2kilo

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When I lived there they used ancient mechanical voting machines where I was at. Flipped a bunch of switches, then pulled the lever to compete.
With the curtain pulled behind you. Haven't seen one in decades.
 

hal2kilo

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There is no right to vote in the US. There should be, but there is not.
I know it's all about Feedumb, but I personally think that people should be compelled to respond to elections even if it's to vote no selection. Hell, tie it to an IRS bonus, you have some way of verifying that you at least showed up (does not have to be physical) you get the money.
 

Pulsar

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Because officials in some states only want the correct voters voting.

Bullshit.

Every voting system has problems.

Don't think an web voting system will have problems? Take a look at EVERY system that has to put up with demand like that on a irregular basis. Black Friday, when websites crash left and right. The last Amazon Prime day. Etc. Nevermind that any static electronic voting system will be compromised. Period.

Don't think an electronic system will have problems? Power outages. Machine failures. No paper trail.

Mechanical system - hanging chads. Mechanical system failure.

Paper System - lost ballets. Mismarked ballots. Ballots thrown out because they were illegible or unclear.

I don't expect them to get it 100% right on election day. Anyone who does is pretty naive. However - running out of ballots is pretty unacceptable. They should have had a plan for this - mail ballots to those that couldn't vote in a timely manner and require their response within 14 days (or something like that).
 
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senseamp

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Absolutely false. You must have been asleep during every single civics class and US history class you had.
Check your info. US voting rights laws, including constitution, simply specify which characteristics you can't be denied a right to vote based on. They don't say that you have a right to vote.
 

brycejones

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Oct 18, 2005
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Bullshit.

Every voting system has problems.

Don't think an web voting system will have problems? Take a look at EVERY system that has to put up with demand like that on a irregular basis. Black Friday, when websites crash left and right. The last Amazon Prime day. Etc. Nevermind that any static electronic voting system will be compromised. Period.

Don't think an electronic system will have problems? Power outages. Machine failures. No paper trail.

Mechanical system - hanging chads. Mechanical system failure.

Paper System - lost ballets. Mismarked ballots. Ballots thrown out because they were illegible or unclear.

I don't expect them to get it 100% right on election day. Anyone who does is pretty naive. However - running out of ballots is pretty unacceptable. They should have had a plan for this - mail ballots to those that couldn't vote in a timely manner and require their response within 14 days (or something like that).

FFS, I was not specifically referring to web based systems. There are other methods as well such as the one in Oregon. which is by mail. Also the question I was responding to was basically why isn't it as easy to vote as possible.
 

Jhhnn

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FFS, I was not specifically referring to web based systems. There are other methods as well such as the one in Oregon. which is by mail. Also the question I was responding to was basically why isn't it as easy to vote as possible.

Why? Because it's just part of the GOP effort to game the system. They don't want everybody to vote. Quite the contrary.
 

cytg111

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Fukin Russians....

In all seriousness, you guys use paper ballots?

Man that sounds old school PITA.

Hope it's all dems showing up tho

Its hard not to connect those dots when the headlines a few weeks ago was "russian hackers has gained access to the powergrid, can turn power off at will" - or something akin to that.
 

cytg111

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Mar 17, 2008
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But... Russia, Russia, Russia!
Parroting Trump at the G7 I see... Thaaats a good boy, gooood boy.
Three options
1. you are a plant
2. you are a traitor to your country
3. dumb as fucking fuck
As you seem to prefer being a Russian over a Democrat I hope they deport your ass when this is done. Happy thoughts .
 
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brycejones

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Why? Because it's just part of the GOP effort to game the system. They don't want everybody to vote. Quite the contrary.

Which is what I was saying when Pulsar called bullshit. My point was it isn't as easy to vote as possible because certain groups only want the "correct" group voting not everyone. For some reason some folks automatically assume that must mean the only solution is internet voting which is not the case.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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Why? Because it's just part of the GOP effort to game the system. They don't want everybody to vote. Quite the contrary.
I'd trot out my famous goo goo good government link of where this concept of voter suppression was codified by the GOP, but it's old and grainy and just stupid history anyway. Republicans want as few voters to show up at the polls as possible. They call liberals elites.
 

compuwiz1

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Only 3 states (OR, WA, CO) have universal vote by mail. An additional 27 states allow "no excuse" absentee voting, but voters have to register for it months in advance, and in most cases, have to re-register for every single election (only 8 states allow permanent absentee voting status).
The remaining 20 states (including Michigan) require that voters show up at the polling places on election day or provide some kind of "good cause" to receive an absentee ballot.
So using your analogy, everyone in those 20 states is being required to still write checks because the old lady doesn't like change.

I've been voting, by mail in ballot for many years in Washington and, since moving to California, have voted in the 2016 general election, as well as the 2018 primaries, by mail in ballot. I like it like that. I don't have to go park, listen to people who are trying to influence me on the way in, or deal with a line, or crowds.
 
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Exterous

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Partof the issue is that MI only allows straight ticket voting in the primary but in November that is not a requirement. Apparently we had lots of people participating that hadn't before and who couldn't follow simple instructions

"In Pontiac, they were first to say they were running out. They had many voters that were spoiling ballots by crossing over (from one party's column to that of another party), and I believe there was a lack of voter instruction there," Brown said.

And voter instruction shouldn't have been a problem. It was in bold at the top of the damn ballot.
 
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Partof the issue is that MI only allows straight ticket voting in the primary but in November that is not a requirement. Apparently we had lots of people participating that hadn't before and who couldn't follow simple instructions



And voter instruction shouldn't have been a problem. It was in bold at the top of the damn ballot.
As far as I've ever seen it in NY, you get a different ballot if you're an R or D for the primary
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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Would never happen with mail-in ballots.

I've been saying this for years, it fixes so many issues with voting. The rest of the states could learn a lot from Oregon and Colorado. Of course, that's exactly why republicans would fight it. Gerrymandering, Russian hacking? No problem there. Poor minorities want to vote? Time for a voter fraud PR blitz, time to shut down 868 polling places across the south. Can't say I understand the lukewarm reception to it on the (D) side, but then maybe that's why I'm not a Democrat.

Republicans hate democracy almost as much as they hate certain Americans. To hell with all of you racist traitors. Or Siberia, that works too.

Edit: forgot to add Phil Keisling's excellent piece on why it should happen. https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/janfeb-2016/vote-from-home-save-your-country/
 
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