Rural vs City death rates

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WelshBloke

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We get international partners here who sometimes want to see more of the US during their visit so they'll extend the trip a couple days. To make small talk I'll ask them what they want to see "We'd like to see New York, LA and San Francisco. Maybe make it a road trip. How long of a drive is that?"

Except Aussies - they get it
TBF that's just a tourist thing! You get people coming to Europe and say "We'll do Rome Monday, Paris Wednesday then nip to London and England for a weekend..."
 

WelshBloke

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Not sure how that is relevant to the discussion. I'm well aware the US is big (and, to a large extent, empty - Americans really have zero excuse for opposing immigration). That maybe plays some tangential role in explaining the differences mentioned in the OP, but if you are saying that's the entire reason you need to supply some supporting argument.
It is harder to supply good health care over large sparsely populated areas, that said America is the richest country in the world so they could do it. I get the feeling that it's more of a regulatory problem in the US. Doctors seem to be able to prescribe whatever the hell they want to whoever they want and the public can shop around until they find one that'll do what they want!
On a related note that lack of oversight seems to carry on through law enforcement in rural areas, they seem to run private fiefdoms in some places!
 

IronWing

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It is harder to supply good health care over large sparsely populated areas, that said America is the richest country in the world so they could do it. I get the feeling that it's more of a regulatory problem in the US. Doctors seem to be able to prescribe whatever the hell they want to whoever they want and the public can shop around until they find one that'll do what they want!
On a related note that lack of oversight seems to carry on through law enforcement in rural areas, they seem to run private fiefdoms in some places!
We have a doctor shortage that was artificially created in response to politicking by doctors back in the 1990s. The number of doctors is controlled by the number of residency slots. Residencies are funded primarily by the federal Medicare and Medicaid programs. In the 1900s, the AMA lobbied Congress to limit the number of residencies by hyping a fear of a "doctor glut". We ended up with ~15 years of too few residencies for a growing and aging population. Doctors make more money in the cities than in rural areas so rural areas bear the brunt of the shortage. In short, Boomer and Gen X doctors pulled the ladder up behind them in order to protect their salaries. Doctors bitch about having too many patients when the problem was created by doctors bribing Congress. Political corruption has a price.
 
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WelshBloke

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We have a doctor shortage that was artificially created in response to politicking by doctors back in the 1990s. The number of doctors is controlled by the number of residency slots. Residencies are funded primarily by the federal Medicare and Medicaid programs. In the 1900s, the AMA lobbied Congress to limit the number of residencies by hyping a fear of a "doctor glut". We ended up with ~15 years of too few residencies for a growing and aging population. Doctors make more money in the cities than in rural areas so rural areas bear the brunt of the shortage. In short, Boomer and Gen X doctors pulled the ladder up behind them in order to protect their salaries. Doctors bitch about having too many patients when the problem was created by doctors bribing Congress. Political corruption has a price.
That's vaguely similar to the mat the BMA controls DR numbers in the UK!
Still it's a problem that can be solved by throwing money at it!
I'm wondering if doctors in the US are put off rural areas as rural states seem pretty anti doctor in general. It seems like a minefield to provide sexual and reproductive health care in certain areas!
 

IronWing

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That's vaguely similar to the mat the BMA controls DR numbers in the UK!
Still it's a problem that can be solved by throwing money at it!
I'm wondering if doctors in the US are put off rural areas as rural states seem pretty anti doctor in general. It seems like a minefield to provide sexual and reproductive health care in certain areas!
The schools in rural areas can be pretty bad as well. My college roommate went on to be a doctor. He says one of his colleagues quit his rural practice and moved back to the city because he realized that his kids were getting dumber.
 

WelshBloke

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The schools in rural areas can be pretty bad as well. My college roommate went on to be a doctor. He says one of his colleagues quit his rural practice and moved back to the city because he realized that his kids were getting dumber.
Rural schools in the UK can be a bit iffy. We had a good look around before we moved out of the city. Some schools were tiny and they'd have just two classes for all the year groups in a primary school. Which could be fine but it only takes one bad teacher to ruin everything then, or if your kid doesn't get on with the two other kids their age!
Schools in the UK have to stick to a national curriculum though so they shouldn't be being taught anything weird and they get inspected regularly.
Unless you choose to send your kid to an odd religious school but that's on you! (They are supposed to be regulated as well but...)
 

iRONic

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Red state voters have voted over and over again to defund access to rural healthcare, ban access to basic women's health, and treat women and health care professionals as criminals for making decisions that prioritize the health of a living woman over an unborn fetus.

Doctors are leaving red states by droves because of all this.

Oh and that whole "gun violence is a mental health problem" they pitch without actually funding or advocating for mental health....
Well enjoy your white male suicide rates.

This is what Republican policy looks like in action.

Dead Americans.
Kentucky waves - Is that one of the reasons you left me, vi?

/s
 

hal2kilo

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TBF that's just a tourist thing! You get people coming to Europe and say "We'll do Rome Monday, Paris Wednesday then nip to London and England for a weekend..."
Silly me took off time on a business trip to Scotland and went to Edenborough during the festival and then went to London, my favorite was the British Museum (they stole everything first), Rosetta Stone and all. Anyway, I was stupefied when I saw all the billboards with just take the Chunnel to Paris. Damn, that would have been easy but I had no time left. I 've got to do on my own dime now.
 

WelshBloke

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Silly me took off time on a business trip to Scotland and went to Edenborough during the festival and then went to London, my favorite was the British Museum (they stole everything first), Rosetta Stone and all. Anyway, I was stupefied when I saw all the billboards with just take the Chunnel to Paris. Damn, that would have been easy but I had no time left. I 've got to do on my own dime now.
Did you go to the natural history museum? I absolutely love that place. The building is magnificent and that entrance hall! 😍
 

Exterous

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TBF that's just a tourist thing! You get people coming to Europe and say "We'll do Rome Monday, Paris Wednesday then nip to London and England for a weekend..."
I mean that's kinda the point right? Your example was 3 countries and still doesn't cover the same distance mine did for the US
 

hal2kilo

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It did last time I was there! There's way too much to see in a day, I'd love to be locked in that place for awhile! And I'd love to be allowed to rummage through the archives!

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One wonderful thing about growing up in Arlington was the very close proximity to the Smithsonian complex of museums and art galleries. I lost count on how many times I went to the National Art gallery or the Museum of Natural History (America's attic) and of course the Air and Space Museum, the Hirshorn Statue Garden, the Medical Museum ...on and on between school field trips and my own personal explorations.
 
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Zorba

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I think that's a regional or geography thing. Midwest and rust belt I can totally see being generally higher up on obesity while coastal and a few other "enlightened" areas (Denver/Seattle) being healthier.
Life expectancy and obesity are pretty well inversely correlated with wealth. That's why the poor states are fatter and due early while Hawaii and California are opposite.
 
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Zorba

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Silly me took off time on a business trip to Scotland and went to Edenborough during the festival and then went to London, my favorite was the British Museum (they stole everything first), Rosetta Stone and all. Anyway, I was stupefied when I saw all the billboards with just take the Chunnel to Paris. Damn, that would have been easy but I had no time left. I 've got to do on my own dime now.
Do you know why the pyramids are in Egypt?




They wouldn't fit in the British Museum
 

iRONic

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Life expectancy and obesity are pretty well inversely correlated with wealth. That's why the poor states are fatter and due early while Hawaii and California are opposite.
Yeah, it's part of the playbook to keep the ones that don't have all the money down.

A new *edit 2022* report says Kentucky has the second highest adult obesity rate in the nation, and Kentucky children aged 10 to 17 have the nation’s highest rate for that age group.

The Trust for America’s Health 19th annual report says four of every 10 Kentucky adults are obese. And 72.3 percent are either obese or overweight, third in the nation. Among the state’s high-school students, 18.4% are obese and another 17.8% are overweight.

 
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Meghan54

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One wonderful thing about growing up in Arlington was the very close proximity to the Smithsonian complex of museums and art galleries. I lost count on how many times I went to the National Art gallery or the Museum of Natural History (America's attic) and of course the Air and Space Museum, the Hirshorn Statue Garden, the Medical Museum ...on and on between school field trips and my own personal explorations.
But did you ever experience Arlington National Cemetery at night whilst smoking weed?

It was an interesting experience…🤪
 

hal2kilo

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But did you ever experience Arlington National Cemetery at night whilst smoking weed?

It was an interesting experience…🤪
No, just in the Turkey Run park up the river where Vince Foster offed himself.
 

Drach

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But did you ever experience Arlington National Cemetery at night whilst smoking weed?

It was an interesting experience…🤪
It would have been much more interesting on shrooms. Just saying .
 

vi edit

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Not sure how that is relevant to the discussion. I'm well aware the US is big (and, to a large extent, empty - Americans really have zero excuse for opposing immigration). That maybe plays some tangential role in explaining the differences mentioned in the OP, but if you are saying that's the entire reason you need to supply some supporting argument.

It's important in context to access to healthcare. A rural hospital may support people that live up to 1-2 hours in any direction from it. If that hospital goes under, or can't get someone like an OB specialist to cover emergent C-Sections people may be driving 3-4 hours to get to the next hospital that can. Same for any follow up care or specialty treatment for stuff like cancer or transplants. That is a direct impact on lives.

Rural health health care is critical, especially given the aging population that lives there.
 

MrSquished

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I used to be all naive and be all happy that we were subsidizing other Americans to have infrastructure near them out in the sticks. I thought we were making progress and all that nice stuff that Obama made us feel.

But it turns out those fuckers in the sticks are trying to take away every basic decent value and moral that we have as a country. And have us live under a fascist white nationalist christo regime.

So fuck that.
 
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My county is roughly 10,000 in population and over 300 square miles. Mostly farms and quarries which are some of the most dangerous places and jobs. We have two paid ambulance stations, FD is all volunteer, one sheriff's office with about 6 deputies and no police. We have one small hospital. It can take EMS 30 minutes or more just to get TO a scene and another 30 or more to get to a hospital of any size.

Rural US is not like most other countries. Many counties are much larger than mine geographically with less population and services.

One casualty incident takes virtually ALL of our medical and fire services. A second one requires help from other counties. A mass casualty incident in one county can get response from several counties away. Our medics responded to a tornado that hit a fairly densely populated county seat about 60 miles away, crossing two other counties to get there.

You chances of survival from a serious injury are not great.
 

Zorba

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I used to be all naive and be all happy that we were subsidizing other Americans to have infrastructure near them out in the sticks. I thought we were making progress and all that nice stuff that Obama made us feel.

But it turns out those fuckers in the sticks are trying to take away every basic decent value and moral that we have as a country. And have us live under a fascist white nationalist christo regime.

So fuck that.
The real point is they continuely vote to refund their own infrastructure, especially healthcare, so we should let them.
 

Dave_5k

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The private, for profit "health care" industry in the U.S. is a long-running train wreck of greed, corruption, and utter failures to provide quality health care while raking in massive unearned profits.

Out of their spare change, the health care industry is spending over $700 million a year now on tracked lobbying spend on politicians to keep their spigots of massive profits and no accountability wide open.

And that really is just spare change, the pharma industry alone also invests a billion dollars a month in the U.S. on advertising - mostly trying to get people to request (insanely expensive) drugs from their doctors they probably don't need.
 
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