Russia, China to hold joint military maneuvers

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Russia and China to Hold Joint Maneuvers

2 hours, 19 minutes ago World - AP


By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, Associated Press Writer

MOSCOW - Once-bitter rivals Russia and China will hold a massive joint military exercise on Chinese territory next year involving submarines and possibly strategic bombers, Russia's defense minister said Monday as the two nations move to bolster already burgeoning military ties.


Many observers saw the announcement as Russia's response to a spat with the United States and other Western nations over the disputed election in Ukraine, Russia's neighbor, where the Kremlin-backed candidate trailed a pro-Western politician in near-final results.


"For the first time in history, we have agreed to hold quite a large military exercise together with China on Chinese territory in the second half of the year," Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said at a Cabinet session chaired by President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites), according to the ITAR-Tass news agency.


"The Russian side will not bring big numbers of servicemen, but mostly state-of-the art weapons ? navy, air, long-range aviation, submarines ? to practice interaction with China in different forms of military maneuvers."


After decades of rivalry, Moscow and Beijing have developed what they call a strategic partnership since the Soviet collapse. China has become the No. 1 customer for Russia's struggling defense industry, purchasing billions of dollars worth of fighters, missiles, submarines and destroyers.


Officials with Russia's state arms-trading company, Rosoboronexport, said last week that China was expected to sign new contracts next year to purchase Russia's most advanced fighter jets.


Both nations frequently have spoken about their adherence to a "multipolar world," a term that refers to their opposition to a perceived U.S. domination in global affairs.


Putin and other Russian officials allege that the United States improperly influenced Ukraine's elections by funding democracy-building organizations. A Nov. 21 ballot in which the pro-Kremlin candidate was declared the winner was later annulled after allegations of widespread fraud and amid massive public protests.


Russia staunchly backed Ukraine Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych in the presidential contest, fearing that his rival, Viktor Yushchenko, would bring the nation closer to the West and away from the Russian orbit. Yushchenko was leading comfortably late Monday with nearly all the results counted.


Some observers have speculated that Russia could respond to the falling out with the West over Ukraine's presidential election by trying to forge a closer partnership with China and India, the second-biggest customer of Russia's military industrial complex.


During his visit to India earlier this month, Putin pushed for a trilateral summit with leaders of India and China and assailed U.S. "dictatorship of international affairs."


Andrei Piontkovsky, the head of the Center for Strategic Studies, said Putin wanted to vent his anger at the West by staging the Russian-Chinese military exercise.


Fyodor Lukyanov, the editor of Russia in Global Affairs Magazine, also described the maneuvers as a gesture aimed at the West.


"It's a response to a series of political defeats Russia has suffered, most recently in Ukraine," Lukyanov told The Associated Press. "It's a reminder that Russia is still a great military power."


Interesting....
 

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Russia is trying to become one of the big boys... Russia cannot bring anything to the table anymore, criminals run the country, they owe many countrys several billions and cannot repay them.

China, wow we need to watch these little folks, if they fight anything like they have sex, then we woulfd be in serious trouble......
 

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Originally posted by: Grunt03
Russia is trying to become one of the big boys... Russia cannot bring anything to the table anymore, criminals run the country, they owe many countrys several billions and cannot repay them.

China, wow we need to watch these little folks, if they fight anything like they have sex, then we woulfd be in serious trouble......


I don't know...Russia only has enough nukes to destroy the world 4.5 times over vs the 6 before....

I won't comment on the "criminals run the country, they owe many countrys several billions" part....might hit close to home.
 

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China is becoming a dangerous threat to world security, and it seems that Russia is speeding up that process. This is quite ominous.
 

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Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
China is becoming a dangerous threat to world security, and it seems that Russia is speeding up that process. This is quite ominous.

I think so too. All of our heaters made in china are programmed to self destruct and burn all our houses down
 

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Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
China is becoming a dangerous threat to world security, and it seems that Russia is speeding up that process. This is quite ominous.


Time for an invasion! :Q First, buy up ALL of their resources, then borrow ALL of their money, then, just as they run out, boom! :Q
 

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we still have japan

We need to have India as a stronger ally to counter China's large pop.

While we fight the russians in the air.
 

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I think this is a good thing. IIRC Russia's had a lot of troops positioned on its border with China for a while now; this warming of relations after 1991 is news to me. If China and Russia are comfortable enough to hold joint military exercises together, that's one less nuclear holocaust scenario the world has to worry about.

I dunno about you wargame scenario enthusiasts, but I think the time for conventional war passed back in the fifties. Even proxy war is out of style now. The world has caught on to the American-styled hegemony via culture and economic heft - which is great. Nations will always compete against each other, this is a pretty sanitized form of that. No need to worry to death about a joint Russian/Chinese attack on the U.S.
 

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About time...

We can't even win in Iraq. It's pathetic really. I small little pimple on a map and we are still losing. And this is OUR BEST? HAHAHA what a joke....

If Russa and China wanted to join in you really think we could win??? We be spanked big time ... Wake up freaks. We might as well throw up a white flag if we had a war with USSR and China.

I think it would be great if they thought we running our country backwards and had to go in and fight with out a UN session.
 

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Russian's military is the suck. Look at their army. Every war they fight they get their asses WHOOPED. 10,000+ deaths x whatever number you want to pick below 10.
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: ericlp
About time...

We can't even win in Iraq. It's pathetic really. I small little pimple on a map and we are still losing. And this is OUR BEST? HAHAHA what a joke....

If Russa and China wanted to join in you really think we could win??? We be spanked big time ... Wake up freaks. We might as well throw up a white flag if we had a war with USSR and China.

I think it would be great if they thought we running our country backwards and had to go in and fight with out a UN session.


The U.S. forces in Iraq are literally trying to do as little damage as possible against guerrilla tactics. In 1991 Iraq took a total of four days to crush, remember? Yes, America could take on Russia and China combined in a conventional war - though they would never have to, and would never do so alone in reality.
 

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Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
China is becoming a dangerous threat to world security, and it seems that Russia is speeding up that process. This is quite ominous.

A Sino-Russian military alliance is a quite logical answer to the Bush doctrine. The Russians and Chinese are very worried about US military and economic expansionism.
 

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China and Russia usually don't start wars outside their borders. If we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone.
 
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