Russia gets Crimea

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Jay5

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We basically pissed all over them without any regard to how they would respond. We treated Russia like our enemy and they responded in kind. I hope the west (read America) takes a lesson from this.

its just the gay agenda in america marching on.im sure the majority of americans who gave a damn about Russia wouldnt of bothered caring if they didnt bring out the fact russia doesnt like gays
 
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Jhhnn

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It's amusing that people want to equate American's imperialism, which consists of protecting the freedom of nations who rarely vote with us or assist us in any venture, with Russia's imperialism, which consists of killing people and taking their lands.

Your foamy jealous rage of those who have achieved consciousness is duly noted and found humorous.

Yeh, make absurd claims, then claim higher consciousness. If you actually believe your own bullshit, you're delusional.
 

zinfamous

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its just the gay agenda in america marching on.im sure the majority of americans who gave a damn about Russia wouldnt of bothered caring if they didnt bring out the fact russia doesnt like gays

why do you think about gays all day long? You and TH close buddies?
 

Jhhnn

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its just the gay agenda in america marching on.im sure the majority of americans who gave a damn about Russia wouldnt of bothered caring if they didnt bring out the fact russia doesnt like gays

It's funny how non-sequiters like "gay agenda" trigger pavlovian responses among Righties.

What agenda is that, exactly? Surely it's not just about equal rights, is it? Couldn't be!

You just know them fa@@ots is up to something, like forcing the Ghey upon you, making the baby Jesus cry, or sumthing, anything.

Because Obama, right?
 

werepossum

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We are not Russia's backyard. We are independent sovereign nations. Russia is the enemy, has always been and will be in the future. Their current and past aggression clearly show that. Russia is an existential threath to us as its neighbours. Russia is a threath to our freedom, democracy and way of life. We know from experience what it means to be under Russian rule. Never again.

The one who needs to apogolise is Russia for its aggressive expansion against international law.

If you completely forget about the US, Nato etc, what are the reasons to be in favour of Russia's actions in Crimea?

All I see is, USA this, Nato that, Iraq, Afganistan, slavery, American Indians, all kinds of absolute rubbish. The criminal here is Russia. I don't like Obama, I think he's a scumbag. I didn't like Bush, I thought he was even a bigger scumbag. I'm no fan of US foreign policy at times, but all this is irrelevant. You can't downplay what Russia is currently doing just because "Murica dun wronk". It doesn't make any sense. In Crimea and in Ukraine, it's Russia and Putin who are the scumbags and we need to call it out. Shit like this is unacceptable and wrong.
Well said. Unfortunately we have much of one political side that believes America is to blame for everything bad that happens and much of the other political side that believes Obama is to blame for everything bad that happens. All the allusions to Iraq, Afghanistan, slavery, etc. are merely justification for these pre-existing beliefs. In reality Russia is doing what they think they must and what they think they can get away with. The latter concerns all Western nations' leaders, not just America's, and the former may cause Russia to act regardless of who is leading Western nations.
 

werepossum

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its just the gay agenda in america marching on.im sure the majority of americans who gave a damn about Russia wouldnt of bothered caring if they didnt bring out the fact russia doesnt like gays
Now I'm suspecting my meter needs calibration, if not replacement.
 

code65536

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It's kinda funny how so many people try to put everything into an American context. The left says, "it's because we meddled" or "they are just following our example in Iraq", and the right says, "it's because we're too weak". People always find some way to tie things to domestic politics.

Hey guys? We don't make the world spin...

Putin is corrupt and egomaniacal. He wants to punish Ukraine for their insolence. He also faced a lot of opposition at home (remember those 2012 protest rallies?), and there's no better way to silence opposition than to stir up nationalistic fervor and redirect everyone's anger outwards at some perceived enemy (I'd go as far as to say that Putin's primary motivation here is Russian domestic politics). The EU is too sympathetic to make for a good enemy, so he gears his propaganda machine towards vilifying the US and Obama when in fact our involvement in all this has been far, far less than that of Germany's or Poland's. But that doesn't matter, because we make for better propaganda, and then our domestic media picks up on it, reports on it, and the US is injected into a narrative that it was never a part of.
 
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werepossum

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It's kinda funny how so many people try to put everything into an American context. The left says, "it's because we meddled" or "they are just following our example in Iraq", and the right says, "it's because we're too weak". People always find some way to tie things to domestic politics.

Hey guys? We don't make the world spin...

Putin is corrupt and egomaniacal. He wants to punish Ukraine for their insolence. He also faced a lot of opposition at home (remember those 2012 protest rallies?), and there's no better way to silence opposition than to stir up nationalistic fervor and redirect everyone's anger outwards at some perceived enemy (I'd go as far as to say that Putin's primary motivation here is Russian domestic politics). The EU is too sympathetic to make for a good enemy, so he gears his propaganda machine towards vilifying the US and Obama when in fact our involvement in all this has been far, far less than that of Germany's or Poland's. But that doesn't matter, because we make for better propaganda, and then our domestic media picks up on it, reports on it, and the US is injected into a narrative that it was never a part of.
Is Putin really injecting the US into this, or are we simply injecting ourselves?
 

code65536

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Is Putin really injecting the US into this, or are we simply injecting ourselves?

I think both. It's really striking if you look at what's coming out of Russia, how big of a role they are painting for the US. Like accusing the US of staging everything in Ukraine and blaming US policies, etc. Which people on this side then pick up on and run with.
 

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Well said. Unfortunately we have much of one political side that believes America is to blame for everything bad that happens and much of the other political side that believes Obama is to blame for everything bad that happens. All the allusions to Iraq, Afghanistan, slavery, etc. are merely justification for these pre-existing beliefs. In reality Russia is doing what they think they must and what they think they can get away with. The latter concerns all Western nations' leaders, not just America's, and the former may cause Russia to act regardless of who is leading Western nations.

:thumbsup:

Yeah, I've noticed American politics to be very Republican vs Democrat, conservative vs liberal, left vs right etc. Picking a side and sticking with it. Just because you disagree with the other side doesn't mean you have to agree with the other. If you disagree with US foreign policy, it doesn't mean you have to agree with Russia's actions in Ukraine. It doesn't even make any sense to do so. You should be condemning it even more. Two wrongs make two wrongs. Just my two euro cents point of view.
 

Jhhnn

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Well said. Unfortunately we have much of one political side that believes America is to blame for everything bad that happens and much of the other political side that believes Obama is to blame for everything bad that happens. All the allusions to Iraq, Afghanistan, slavery, etc. are merely justification for these pre-existing beliefs. In reality Russia is doing what they think they must and what they think they can get away with. The latter concerns all Western nations' leaders, not just America's, and the former may cause Russia to act regardless of who is leading Western nations.

Other than the trollish false attribution as to what other people believe, not bad.
 

Londo_Jowo

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So because he won he can no longer be criticized?

That's a new standard.

Criticism is one thing going full retard on a daily basis is something different. Quite a few moderates didn't vote for him but you don't see them foaming at the mouth or slobbering all over themselves with every little thing Obama does or doesn't do.
 

cubby1223

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russia has a president that rides horses barechested, does judo, and tranquilizes tigers. we have a president that wears mom jeans

So you are a big advocate of superficial qualities.

I always knew your comments in these threads were worthless.

If they fight an MMA fight, sure Putin wins. If they fight a war, either traditional or economic, Obama obliterates Putin.
 

cubby1223

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while putin takes countries. Obama focus on more important things


Why not fill out a bracket? Putin is undeserving of Obama's attention. Russia's ass will be thoroughly kicked by the time this is all over. In the mean time enjoy some March Madness.
 

postmortemIA

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brackets are at least manly game (not saying it is not for women, but almost every guy likes to play it)
 

Agent11

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Why not fill out a bracket? Putin is undeserving of Obama's attention. Russia's ass will be thoroughly kicked by the time this is all over. In the mean time enjoy some March Madness.

That is quite the bold position. Care to elaborate?
 

K1052

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That is quite the bold position. Care to elaborate?

Russia's power and perhaps more importantly influence isn't on par (or even close) with the US or EU let alone the two combined. Obviously Obama can't roll tanks into Urkaine to make the point but he and the EU can make Russia pay quite dearly in the medium and long terms economically. The Russian economy is sinking and Putin has whipped up nationalism to support shooting more holes in the boat just because they like the sounds.
 
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