When Russia takes over nobody dies, when America takes over, millions are displaced, hundreds of thousands die and the area is left in complete and utter desolation and anarchy. Russian BLOODLESS invasions are civilized in comparison to the armegeddons that America inflicts.
Oh well then that makes it all right. .
YES IT DOES!!!!!! Lives FUCKING matter. Do you not get that? This was a righteous move by Putin and we should be backing him on it.
Oh well then that makes it all right. Now lets see what happens when this new found part of Russian territory goes to evict the Ukrainian army before we get too excited about bloodless invasions. I am also pretty sure many died in the invasion of Georgia and Chechnya.
YES IT DOES!!!!!! Lives FUCKING matter. Do you not get that? This was a righteous move by Putin and we should be backing him on it.
Eski,
You are a neocon. You are not a progressive. There is no way a good progressive could believe the things you have been saying on this thread. Your worldview is just plain messed up.
Who said this?
I would love to see some links from you supporting what you wrote that don't come from Russian state media.
“It’s all quiet so far,” Mateus Piskorkski, the leader of the European observers’ mission and Polish MP told Itar-Tass. “Our observers have not registered any violations of voting rules.”
135 international observers have arrived from 23 countries, including Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Latvia and Poland, Crimean authorities said. Among those monitoring the referendum are members of the EU and national European parliaments, international law experts and human rights activists.
If you actually believe what you just wrote here you're delusional.
I said that.
http://rt.com/news/international-observers-crimea-referendum-190/
There is too much news footage coming out of Crimea to deny they were having free and open elections.
There was poll done just a couple of weeks before Russia invaded and, IIRC, only 40% supported independence/joining Russia.
Given the circumstance under which the vote was held I do not believe it can be seen as accurate or legitimate.
Fern
I said that.
http://rt.com/news/international-observers-crimea-referendum-190/
You may disagree with RT, but the fact remains. The Election observation missions is part of the European Commission http://ec.europa.eu/europeaid/what/human-rights/election_observation_missions/index_en.htm
There is too much news footage coming out of Crimea to deny they were having free and open elections.
There we go. I knew we would see a link to Russian State media for Texashikers sources on how legitimate this referendum was lol
I'm curious as to how TH would react if prior to the next US elections Obama shut down all TV stations not owned by him and stationed armed guards loyal to him at each poling station.
Imagine what these guys would be saying if it were the US occupying Crimea and forcing a referendum.
These Russia threads have been really illuminating.
EDIT: Also, the European Commission did not send election observers. In fact, the EU (of which the European Commission is part) condemned the lack of real observers. It's funny that the organization you linked to about election observers says the exact opposite of what you were trying to say.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_referendum,_2014#Monitors
Do you have anything saying opposite?
Do not discredit the message because you disagree with the messenger.
When Russia takes over nobody dies, when America takes over, millions are displaced, hundreds of thousands die, civilization ceases and the area is left in complete and utter desolation and anarchy. Russian BLOODLESS invasions are civilized in comparison to the armegeddons that America inflicts. Now if this devolves into something like a typtical American fuckup, I will amend my position at that time.
Right now, all I can say is, good show Putin!! Russia has the moral authority to tell America to stick it up their ass.
Eski, grats on earning your NEO-CON wings, you should be proud.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_referendum,_2014#Monitors
Do you have anything saying opposite?
Do not discredit the message because you disagree with the messenger.
All 28 member states of the European Union believe the separation of the Crimea from Ukraine to be unacceptable under international law
I'm sure the EC would be very interested in this information as they have condemned the election.
By placing ideologues at the polling station next to the soldiers.
Proof?
Well, there's the whole "EU is going for sanctions against Russia" thing that suggests that they aren't best pleased.
Eski,
I will give you the same advice as I give to all neocons. If you are THAT upset about the Crimea, by all means strap on some guns, catch the nearest jet and show the Russians what you are made of.
Do NOT ask the rest of America to send their children to die for your neccon paranoias.
Eski,
You are a neocon. You are not a progressive. There is no way a good progressive could believe the things you have been saying on this thread. Your worldview is just plain messed up.