Probably? I thought it was suppose to be easy? What is it that says "probably" Tatar to you?
The young woman was Miss Russia 2013. She's a Tatar.
And nothing to say about this yet?
"btw, you do remember that the only reason the Tatars are a "small minority" is because that 'Georgian' shipped out almost the whole Tatar population and moved ethnic Russians onto their stolen land. You do remember that don't you?"
I don't have feelings towards ethnic minorities, just individual people, especially ones without a sense of humor.
It was a terrible joke that makes light of the very real issues/fears of an ethnic population that has been treated terribly by Russia in the past. And it appears that the Tatars are about to go through more 'control' at the hands of the Russians and their Crimean puppets.
Tells us more about *your* sense of humour than anyone else's.
Really, you are going to dredge this historical trivia up again? People in Crimea now get to decide its future, not people you wish were there. Tatars get a vote, but they are 12% of the population. They don't get more votes or a veto because they are Tatars.
I guess it was too non-PC for you. You can't please everyone.
Anyways, Crimean Tatars will be fine. They are now Putin's PR project, so he'll make it rain.
Ethnic cleansing is "trivia" to you?!
And the fact that it looks like it's about to happen again? Still trivia?
Guess there's nothing else to say then.
You have the right to make whatever joke you want.
But to make an ethnic cleansing joke at the expense of a minority ethnic group with legitimate fears of oppression over current events, that's beyond PC and indicative of your own personality that made you think this was an appropriate expression of your opinions.
There is an extensive history of oppression by Russia in their occupied territories that make the fear more real than you give credit for.
Make your jokes. You live in a western nation where we have the freedom to make such jokes. But other people do have the right not to respect you for them.
US was built on ethnic cleansing, but we just go on voting and not worrying about what would have happened in some alternative universe where history was different and Native Americans still ruled this land.
You want to indulge yourself in your alternative reality, you are welcome to, but that's not how voting works in a democracy.
BTW, "looks like it's about to happen" is an opinion not a fact.
Possibly, just possibly you missed this the 1st time.
If that's the case, from the horses mouth:
"Ukraines breakaway region of Crimea will ask Tatars to vacate part of the land where they now live in exchange for new territory elsewhere in the region, a top Crimean government official said Tuesday.
Crimean Deputy Prime Minister Rustam Temirgaliyev said in an interview with RIA Novosti on Tuesday the new government in Crimea, where residents voted Sunday to become part of Russia, wants to regularize the land unofficially taken over by Crimean Tatar squatters following the collapse of the Soviet Union.
We have asked the Crimean Tatars to vacate part of their land, which is required for social needs, Temirgaliyev said. But we are ready to allocate and legalize many other plots of land to ensure a normal life for the Crimean Tatars, he said."
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140319/1885...-Official.html
So what you might be saying happened is, the group who assumed power allowed or disallowed people to vote based on their likelihood of supporting their agenda? Say it ain't so!
The man has no shame:
"Vladimir Putin admits for first time Russian troops took over Crimea, refuses to rule out intervention in Donetsk"
"Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday rejected claims that Russian special forces are fomenting unrest in eastern Ukraine, but recognized for the first time that the troops in unmarked uniforms who had overtaken Ukraines Crimean Peninsula before its annexation by Moscow were Russian soldiers."
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...-refuses-to-rule-out-intervention-in-donetsk/
'Believe me now, but not then.' <wink>
Nice, confirms Senseamp duped again by Putin.
I already said Russia was supporting the unrest in Eastern Ukraine and applying pressure there to create leverage. Threat of a full invasion is part of that leverage. Doesn't mean it's going to happen. I already described the difference between Eastern Ukraine and Crimea in previous posts.
US was built on ethnic cleansing, but we just go on voting and not worrying about what would have happened in some alternative universe where history was different and Native Americans still ruled this land.
You want to indulge yourself in your alternative reality, you are welcome to, but that's not how voting works in a democracy.
BTW, "looks like it's about to happen" is an opinion not a fact.
I already said Russia was supporting the unrest in Eastern Ukraine and applying pressure there to create leverage. Threat of a full invasion is part of that leverage. Doesn't mean it's going to happen. I already described the difference between Eastern Ukraine and Crimea in previous posts.
Russian, Ukrainian or Tatar?
Russian, Ukrainian or Tatar?
Russian, Ukrainian or Tatar?
no
the crimean tatars decided to officially boycott the referendum
So you're admitting to even further violations of international law by Russia.
Why do you continue to support this?
I am not an international lawyer. I don't support all of Russia's actions, but people who believe that a majority of Crimeans don't want to be in Russia are misguided, and if we let that guide our policy, they will end up in a big mess.
Russia, just like the US, is going to do what is in it's strategic interest, whether I support it or not. If you though they were going to stand by and risk Crimea becoming a NATO territory, you weren't paying attention. If you think they are going to let Ukraine become a NATO country without putting it through hell, you are still not paying attention. Russia will not stop until Ukraine agrees to remain neutral, and that's why the push to federalization of Ukraine. A Switzerland like federalized neutral Ukraine where the Russian speaking East gets to block NATO membership. Ukraine can agree to such neutrality arrangement or keep fighting a civil war against Russian supported East, it's their call. Sanctions won't do sh!t, this is a strategic question for Russia.
Crimeans are occasionally alarmed by armed men in uniforms without insignia who materialize at places like Simferopols train station, inspecting luggage and occasionally arresting passengers. Various people detained in protests against the referendum a month ago have not resurfaced.
When confronted, the uniformed men tell Crimeans that they are activists from the people who are preserving order.
I am not an international lawyer. I don't support all of Russia's actions, but people who believe that a majority of Crimeans don't want to be in Russia are misguided, and if we let that guide our policy, they will end up in a big mess.
Russia, just like the US, is going to do what is in it's strategic interest, whether I support it or not. If you though they were going to stand by and risk Crimea becoming a NATO territory, you weren't paying attention. If you think they are going to let Ukraine become a NATO country without putting it through hell, you are still not paying attention. Russia will not stop until Ukraine agrees to remain neutral, and that's why the push to federalization of Ukraine. A Switzerland like federalized neutral Ukraine where the Russian speaking East gets to block NATO membership. Ukraine can agree to such neutrality arrangement or keep fighting a civil war against Russian supported East, it's their call. Sanctions won't do sh!t, this is a strategic question for Russia.
Your buddy putin is such a swell guy
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/22/w...sia-life-in-crimea-grows-chaotic.html?hp&_r=0
Just doing things old school.
See, there lies the problem.
The main argument Russia makes is they believe people have the right to self-determination... just so long as their self-determination corresponds to Russia's own self-interests.
There are a lot of ways to rally up a fervor in the short term. But is it self-determination? Is it in the interests of Crimea or in the interests of Russia? I think we all know the answers to these questions.
You admit it in your own words - Russia purposefully causes massive problems within countries along its borders. You are spelling it out very clearly: countries along Russia's borders do not and will never have self-determination because of Russia.
And you also clearly support it.