Russia gets Crimea

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cubby1223

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Crimea being pro Russian is short term? Yeah, OK, buddy. They've been saying "WTF, why are we in Ukraine" since 1991.
Just out of curiosity, what is your opinion of the Monroe doctrine?

When they listen to Russian media, they get all sorts of distorted views on reality.

My view on the Monroe doctrine is it was in place over 100 years before I was born. It is not in effect today.

Do you want my opinion on Kosovo too? It's pretty much standard practice for all Russian media to use that standard.
 
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michal1980

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Crimeans "occasionally alarmed" and McDonalds closed.
Now compare and contrast to US and NATO occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

I see you fall back to 'two wrongs make a right'.


I bet those crimeans now in the Siberia are 'occasionally alarmed'.
 

senseamp

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When they listen to Russian media, they get all sorts of distorted views on reality.

My view on the Monroe doctrine is it was in place over 100 years before I was born. It is not in effect today.

Do you want my opinion on Kosovo too? It's pretty much standard practice for all Russian media to use that standard.

Did the US renounce Monroe doctrine? Last I checked it's still in place.
 

senseamp

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senseamp:

The war between Russia and the west is a figment of Russia's ruling party's imagination with the primary goal to maintain their own power. And in the process many innocent people suffer from it.

The whole fucking goal is to get to a point where NATO is unnecessary. That there is no conflict along borders because the ruling classes on both sides of the border respect the individual civilians on both sides. And that ain't ever going to happen with Putin in power. He thrives on chaos.

There are Russian medical students in Ukraine too, you know.

Putin is a good student of US tactics:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Psychological_Operations_in_Guerrilla_Warfare
 

cubby1223

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Crimeans "occasionally alarmed" and McDonalds closed.
Now compare and contrast to US and NATO occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

All you can ever do is make endless comparisons without any substance in your quest to Question Everything.

What about Iraq? What about Afghanistan? What about the Monroe Doctrine? What about this? What about that?

I want to know your opinion on the War of Jenkins’ Ear. Which side of that war did you support?


How about the fact that you willingly acknowledged Putin's desire to cause great disruptions in neighboring countries?

Why is it so difficult for you to just say Putin is wrong to aid in creating deadly conflicts in neighboring countries based on a figment of their imagination? Especially when it was so easy for you to make ethnic cleansing jokes?
 

michal1980

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Proof that Crimeans were sent to Siberia? Oh yeah, you don't have it.

And you have proof they aren't?

If russia isn't saying where they are, its far more likely they are in Siberia, then on a beach.


But we all know you have some weird putin fetish.
 

senseamp

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And you have proof they aren't?

If russia isn't saying where they are, its far more likely they are in Siberia, then on a beach.


But we all know you have some weird putin fetish.

You are assuming Russia is holding them. The article doesn't list any specific people. You'd think they'd at least confirm that such people exist instead of peddling innuendo.
 
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michal1980

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You are assuming Russia is holding them. The article doesn't list any specific people. You'd think they'd at least confirm that such people exist instead of peddling innuendo.

Because Putin is going to release details of which political opponents he had shipped out and where.

If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.
 

senseamp

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I would suggest you learn to read sources that aren't fed to you through RT.

I read far more pro-Western Ukrainian media than RT. RT is about as interesting as US mainstream media, you just get the regurgitated line of the national government, so it's useful from that point of view, but you won't get any in depth information from it.
But pro-Western Ukrainian media (like http://www.unian.info/) is a good chronicle of the train wreck they got themselves into. When they first came in it was like hell yeah, we are going to show those Eastern party of region types what's up. Disband the police, pass the languages law, "lustration" of the political opposition. Right wing groups goin into Eastern cities and vandalize their statues, that was a nice touch.
You'd think after helping US in Iraq and seeing how disbanding the Iraqi military and De-Baathification worked out, they'd know better. Nope. Same triumphalist crap. Of course the people in the East were watching and learning the new rules of the game from the Kiev protesters, he who creates the most havoc, gets the most leverage. Of course Russia took full advantage of the division, the chaos, and the pissed off and unemployed former police that the Kiev regime handed to them on a silver platter.
 
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senseamp

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Because Putin is going to release details of which political opponents he had shipped out and where.

If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

Putin no, but their friends and relatives of these supposedly missing people, yes. You are claiming that there are people missing and no one is missing them?
 

fskimospy

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I read far more pro-Western Ukrainian media than RT. RT is about as interesting as US mainstream media, you just get the regurgitated line of the national government, so it's useful from that point of view, but you won't get any in depth information from it.
But pro-Western Ukrainian media (like http://www.unian.info/) is a good chronicle of the train wreck they got themselves into. When they first came in it was like hell yeah, we are going to show those Eastern party of region types what's up. Disband the police, pass the languages law, "lustration" of the political opposition. Right wing groups goin into Eastern cities and vandalize their statues, that was a nice touch.
You'd think after helping US in Iraq and seeing how disbanding the Iraqi military and De-Baathification worked out, they'd know better. Nope. Same triumphalist crap. Of course the people in the East were watching and learning the new rules of the game from the Kiev protesters, he who creates the most havoc, gets the most leverage. Of course Russia took full advantage of the division, the chaos, and the pissed off and unemployed former police that the Kiev regime handed to them on a silver platter.

It's very interesting that you equate US media sources with Russian state run media. While US media certainly has its shortcomings, the two are still very, very different. This might explain a lot of the issues you're having here.
 

senseamp

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It's very interesting that you equate US media sources with Russian state run media. While US media certainly has its shortcomings, the two are still very, very different. This might explain a lot of the issues you're having here.

US corporate media does voluntary self censorship to avoid contradicting the government foreign policy and being accused of being unpatriotic. Russia has explicit censorship at the big state run and corporate owned media organizations. Different cause, but same effect. On foreign policy, they stick to the host government's line.
Smaller independent Russian media (what's left of it, like echo, tvrain, etc) and blogosphere is actually much more objective with much higher diversity of opinion. There is disagreement with Putin's actions in Crimea and Ukraine. Not so much with Crimea wanting to be part of Russia, but more with the way it was annexed. Many people feel that returning Crimea is not worth opening this Pandora's box, even if it never should have been given to Ukraine in the first place.
 

fskimospy

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US corporate media does voluntary self censorship to avoid contradicting the government foreign policy and being accused of being unpatriotic. Russia has explicit censorship at the big state run and corporate owned media organizations. Different cause, but same effect. On foreign policy, they stick to the host government's line.
Smaller independent Russian media (what's left of it, like echo, tvrain, etc) and blogosphere is actually much more objective with much higher diversity of opinion. There is disagreement with Putin's actions in Crimea and Ukraine. Not so much with Crimea wanting to be part of Russia, but more with the way it was annexed. Many people feel that returning Crimea is not worth opening this Pandora's box, even if it never should have been given to Ukraine in the first place.

The results are definitely not the same. There is simply no equivalence between the US media response and RT's obvious state-run cheerleading.

The only reason anyone should read RT is to learn what the Russian government is putting forth. Everything in it should be presumed to be dishonest as it is a propaganda network.
 
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Nice, confirms Senseamp duped again by Putin.

He's no 'dupe'. He seems to know exactly what he's doing. Filling the role of apologist for the thug Putin.

Maybe the Russians have their own version of Hasbara and he's part of the effort. <shrug>
 
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