Russia gets Crimea

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senseamp

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The results are definitely not the same. There is simply no equivalence between the US media response and RT's obvious state-run cheerleading.

The only reason anyone should read RT is to learn what the Russian government is putting forth. Everything in it should be presumed to be dishonest as it is a propaganda network.

Agreed to the bolded. I thought it was common knowledge that RT was a Russian state mouthpiece like VOA.
 

CLite

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US corporate media does voluntary self censorship to avoid contradicting the government foreign policy

WTF?

no really... WTF?

Did you watch MSNBC during Bush or have you watched FOX during Obama's current terms?

Avoid contradicting the government foreign policy? lmfao.
 
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Proof that Crimeans were sent to Siberia? Oh yeah, you don't have it.

You don't have better to do with your life than cheerlead a Russian thug invading the sovereign territory of another country and threatening an ethnic minority with a repeat of what happened to their people only about 70 years earlier?

btw, the Tatars were mainly 'resettled' in the Urals and Uzbekistan so I have no idea why you are mentioning Siberia.
 

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I'm starting to think that the main objective of Putin's manufactured crisis is more about his domestic grip than about Ukraine. Look at what's happened since all this began: his popularity has soared, he's been afforded the political cover to oust and silence more opposition voices, and he's seized effective control of what few independent media outlets that were left
 

fskimospy

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Agreed to the bolded. I thought it was common knowledge that RT was a Russian state mouthpiece like VOA.

It is not. Specifically, VOA is explicitly and openly broadcast by the US federal government, with no pretense otherwise. RT claims to be an objective news source independent from the Russian government, but this is clearly a lie.
 
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trick question! D: I'd hate to see you employ the "candy lineup."

He made the claim about how easy it was to tell the difference between Tatars and Russians. I'm a bit surprised that he didn't mention 'swarthy skin' or 'hooked noses' or some such nonsense.

He's deliberately marginalized the Tatars and their issues and has acted as an outright apologist for their previous ethnic cleansing by the Russians by insisting that it's 'trivial history'.

I figure anything I can do to show this person for what they are is fair play.
 

senseamp

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It is not. Specifically, VOA is explicitly and openly broadcast by the US federal government, with no pretense otherwise. RT claims to be an objective news source independent from the Russian government, but this is clearly a lie.

You didn't know RT was a Russian government mouthpiece? Wow.
 

senseamp

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He made the claim about how easy it was to tell the difference between Tatars and Russians. I'm a bit surprised that he didn't mention 'swarthy skin' or 'hooked noses' or some such nonsense.

He's deliberately marginalized the Tatars and their issues and has acted as an outright apologist for their previous ethnic cleansing by the Russians by insisting that it's 'trivial history'.

I figure anything I can do to show this person for what they are is fair play.

You are whining, but you aren't proposing anything. Do you think 12% Crimean Tatars minority should have a veto over the direction of Crimea just because they once upon a time were a majority?
 
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The first ones in real life shots are a no-brainer.
You'd be hard pressed to tell a Russian from a Ukrainian with 66% accuracy.

"no brainer"? Funny, I remember the word 'probably'.

Tell us, was it the skin tone? The slant of the eyes? Maybe they have oddly shaped noses?
 

fskimospy

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You are whining, but you aren't proposing anything. Do you think 12% Crimean Tatars minority should have a veto over the direction of Crimea just because they once upon a time were a majority?

There is a continuing argument that the ethnic Russian majority should be catered to in Crimea despite the fact that the only reason there is an ethnic Russian majority there is due to Russian crimes against humanity.

Why do you think that this is a compelling argument? Please answer this without resorting to 'two wrongs make a right'.
 

fskimospy

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Me: I thought it was common knowledge that RT was a Russian state mouthpiece like VOA.

You: It is not.

I guess that knowledge wasn't common to you

It is knowledge that is common to me. In fact in this very thread you can see comments from me about this that long predate that post of yours. It is not common knowledge to the rest of the world.
 

CLite

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senseamp

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There is a continuing argument that the ethnic Russian majority should be catered to in Crimea despite the fact that the only reason there is an ethnic Russian majority there is due to Russian crimes against humanity.

Why do you think that this is a compelling argument? Please answer this without resorting to 'two wrongs make a right'.

My argument is that current residents of Crimea get to vote on Crimea's future. That's how democracy works everywhere in the world. You are not happy with it, what specifically are you proposing?
 

TerryMathews

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My argument is that current residents of Crimea get to vote on Crimea's future. That's how democracy works everywhere in the world. You are not happy with it, what specifically are you proposing?

Do you also believe Texas should be able to secede?
 

CLite

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Do you also believe Texas should be able to secede?

The real question is does he believe Texas should be able to secede while under Mexican occupation/protection with no foreign monitors allowed in to observe the vote.

Oh but don't worry all the polls show Texas really loves being part of Mexico.
 
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Still whining and still not proposing any alternatives. At least you know how ridiculous it is to take your argument to its logical conclusion. I'll give you credit there.

You're the one who keeps dismissing Russia's previous ethnic cleansing of the Tatars as 'historic trivia'. Obviously you have no problems with the concept at least when it's played out by the Russians.
 
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