They'll sell it to Asia. What do you think will happen to European companies if their gas is twice as expensive as their competitors instead of half as expensive?
and if europe and turkey refuse to buy any oil or natural gas from russia or allow and transportation of such and also declare sanctions against russia what do you think will happen to the muscovites?
They'll sell it to Asia. What do you think will happen to European companies if their gas is twice as expensive as their competitors instead of half as expensive?
and if europe and turkey refuse to buy any oil or natural gas from russia or allow and transportation of such and also declare sanctions against russia what do you think will happen to the muscovites?
Interesting. So basically you feel its more important to stick it to the Russians for.. something ..than to maintain economic stability? My point really is that you and many others on this thread don't seem to understand what something like $8/gal gas means. It means a lot of people won't be able to afford going to work due to the price of gas. It means a lot of people will get laid off as businesses fail. It means many prices will go up, as it takes gasoline to deliver both goods and services. If you're lucky enough to still be worrying about such things, it means your asset value (like your house) will go down - because the number of buyers will dry up. It means a lot of people depending on their 401Ks etc in stock markets will lose their shirt (again). It means the Gov't will likely run a lot more debt - and all the potentials that implies. All that for... what? By the way, if anyone who's been reading the various posts / news here really thinks either the US or EU gov'ts sanctions against Russia are about what's "right" or "wrong"... you haven't been paying attention. It's unlikely any of us know why the EU or US is doing what they're doing, but I can guarantee you it has nothing to do with right and wrong.
Interesting.
So basically you feel its more important to stick it to the Russians for.. something ..than to maintain economic stability?
My point really is that you and many others on this thread don't seem to understand what something like $8/gal gas means.
It means a lot of people won't be able to afford going to work due to the price of gas. It means a lot of people will get laid off as businesses fail. It means many prices will go up, as it takes gasoline to deliver both goods and services.
If you're lucky enough to still be worrying about such things, it means your asset value (like your house) will go down - because the number of buyers will dry up. It means a lot of people depending on their 401Ks etc in stock markets will lose their shirt (again). It means the Gov't will likely run a lot more debt - and all the potentials that implies.
All that for... what?
By the way, if anyone who's been reading the various posts / news here really thinks either the US or EU gov'ts sanctions against Russia are about what's "right" or "wrong"... you haven't been paying attention. It's unlikely any of us know why the EU or US is doing what they're doing, but I can guarantee you it has nothing to do with right and wrong.
oh look another Chamberlin in the room.
Please tell us how much of Europe Russia can take before you feel its ok to try to stop them?
Interesting.
So basically you feel its more important to stick it to the Russians for.. something ..than to maintain economic stability?
My point really is that you and many others on this thread don't seem to understand what something like $8/gal gas means.
It means a lot of people won't be able to afford going to work due to the price of gas. It means a lot of people will get laid off as businesses fail. It means many prices will go up, as it takes gasoline to deliver both goods and services.
If you're lucky enough to still be worrying about such things, it means your asset value (like your house) will go down - because the number of buyers will dry up. It means a lot of people depending on their 401Ks etc in stock markets will lose their shirt (again). It means the Gov't will likely run a lot more debt - and all the potentials that implies.
All that for... what?
By the way, if anyone who's been reading the various posts / news here really thinks either the US or EU gov'ts sanctions against Russia are about what's "right" or "wrong"... you haven't been paying attention. It's unlikely any of us know why the EU or US is doing what they're doing, but I can guarantee you it has nothing to do with right and wrong.
Russia played nice with the West for 20 years, and in return, the West expanded it's anti-Russian military alliance to Russia's doorstep. Now it wants to expand it to Ukraine. Russia won't let that happen without a fight.
We have to find it in ourselves to be reasonable, and to play a long game that helps maintain peace and stability. We need to be engaged with them diplomatically to calm the situation down. Thus far we have not done that, all we've done is ignore the Russian position and demand Crimea back.
Russia played nice with the West for 20 years, and in return, the West expanded it's anti-Russian military alliance to Russia's doorstep. Now it wants to expand it to Ukraine. Russia won't let that happen without a fight.
You have a very strange view of the world, one that is bizarrely pro-Russian, considering how horribly Russia has acted.
In the end Russia will accept Ukraine in NATO because it really has no other choice. It is too weak militarily and economically to do much else.
Russia played nice with the West for 20 years, and in return, the West expanded it's anti-Russian military alliance to Russia's doorstep. Now it wants to expand it to Ukraine. Russia won't let that happen without a fight.
This attitude in the West is leading us to war. Russia will do a lot about it militarily if they have to, and they've made it abundantly clear.
It's a very strange view of the world where we cross Russia's red line and expect it to play nice.
A madman like Putin cannot be reasoned with. A bully like him only understands one thing: force.
It baffles me how people not get that. It also baffles me how people forget History. I'm sure trying to appease Hitler worked out just fine, oh wait...
Russia "played nice" only because it was in no position to do anything else. That many of their formerly conquered states would seek alliances to prevent another recurrence is entirely reasonable thing....to anyone who isn't Russian.
Russia has a much longer history that WW2, all of it says that allowing foreign militaries on its door steps leads nowhere good.