Russia gets Crimea

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norseamd

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Some Circassian organisations have objected to the Games being held on land their ancestors held until 1864,[165][166] when most of them were vanquished at the end of the Russian-Circassian War (1763–1864), in what they consider to be ethnic cleansing or genocide. The Games also coincide with the 150th anniversary of this event.[167][168] They demanded the Games be cancelled or moved unless Russia apologises.[169] Some Circassian groups accepted the Olympics, and argued that symbols of Circassian history and culture should be featured, as Australia, the United States and Canada did for their indigenous cultures in 2000, 2002, and 2010 respectively.[170]
The Games' use of Krasnaya Polyana as a site for skiing and snowboarding events was also considered controversial to Circassians, as Krasnaya Polyana (which translates to "Red Hill" or "Red Glade"), was named for a group of Circassians who were defeated in a bloody battle with Russians while attempting to return home over it in 1864.[171][172]
 

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I don't get the people, particularly the protesters in Kiev. A few months ago, they were protesting and willing to die for their country over the President's decision to go with Russia instead of the West. Now when Crimea gets taken over and more cities are under threat from Russia, they all just sit back and watch? Where is the patriotism they had before?


They are willing to fight and destroy their own city and won't do shit when their entire country's under threat? WTF?
 
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I don't get the people, particularly the protesters in Kiev. A few months ago, they were protesting and willing to die for their country over the President's decision to go with Russia instead of the West. Now when Crimea gets taken over and more cities are under threat from Russia, they all just sit back and watch? Where is the patriotism they had before?

They are willing to fight and destroy their own city and won't do shit when their entire country's under threat? WTF?

It's probably easier to fight the police than your own people in a civil war. It's a tad more serious a war with Russia than a 'war' with the police. Also in a war with Russia you don't just risk your own life but plenty of others' as well.
 

norseamd

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It's probably easier to fight the police than your own people in a civil war. It's a tad more serious a war with Russia than a 'war' with the police. Also in a war with Russia you don't just risk your own life but plenty of others' as well.

that and putin has not yet invaded central or western ukraine
 

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If the EU ever broke up I hope these countries form a new Northern Union. ^_^ Often when these countries have tried closer co-operation it's been Germany or Russia (or Nazi-Germany and the Soviet Union) against it. :\ I feel much closer to these countries than I do with someone like Portugal for example and that's the issue with the EU and why I hope the EU doesn't move towards federalisation. I can be in a trade union with the Bulgarians but I don't want to be in a federal union with them.
 

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Better to be prepared. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. On a more serious note, Russia has shown it cannot be trusted. We have already increased military spending for next year as a result. Trade will suffer for sure. Russia is driving itself into isolation.
LOL Yep. In this case they are definitely out to get you, they just can't do so at an acceptable cost at the moment.

You are conflating separate questions.
Crimean Tatar deportation is ancient history.
The fantasy is thinking that Russia will just allow NATO in Ukraine.
Ahem . . .

This guy was already deported in 1944.

Ukrainian citizen and leader of the Crimean Tatars, Mustafa Dzhemilev, has been handed a document on the Ukrainian border informing him he is banned by federal law from entering Russian territory for five years.
Instant ancient history?
 

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I don't get the people, particularly the protesters in Kiev. A few months ago, they were protesting and willing to die for their country over the President's decision to go with Russia instead of the West. Now when Crimea gets taken over and more cities are under threat from Russia, they all just sit back and watch? Where is the patriotism they had before?


They are willing to fight and destroy their own city and won't do shit when their entire country's under threat? WTF?

there were violent clashes between the factions in quite a few eastern cities today, Donetsk had it worst I believe.
 

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LOL Yep. In this case they are definitely out to get you, they just can't do so at an acceptable cost at the moment.

"Acceptable cost" You said it. That's the whole basis of our defence. The enemy can't enter our lands without suffering unacceptable costs. We might not "win" but we sure as hell will make it costly for them.

there were violent clashes between the factions in quite a few eastern cities today, Donetsk had it worst I believe.

Yeah. Some fighting going on in there. The mayor of Kharkiv was shot and it's unclear whether he'öö survive. There were some demonstrations, pro-maidan and anti-maidan, or could you say pro-Ukraine or pro-Russia(?), by football fans (houligans ) yesterday I believe. It ended up like any football houligan marches end, violence between the two groups. More demonstrations today, here's one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPyY9eXW4o8

I wouldn't want to be a riot police in Eastern Ukraine right now. ^_^ How in the bloody hell do they except to arrange elections in Eastern Ukraine in May? There's no way that's going to happen. Russia getting what it wants. Fucking Russia, fuck them. What did we do to deserve Russia as a neighbour? I'm fucking tired of their constant shit. And fuck cyrillic alphabet cos I can't find shit on Youtube.
 

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Ok, sometimes you can tell more from what isn't being said than what is.

Does anyone think Russia wouldn't have intelligence operatives in the Ukraine, Blearus, Georgia, etc? Anyone think the USA doesn't? If you think we don't, how'd we get those recordings?

With that, lets look at what is actually being said :

"Intel is producing taped conversations of intelligence operatives taking their orders from Moscow and everybody can tell the difference in the accents, in the idioms, in the language. We know exactly who’s giving those orders, we know where they are coming from,"

OK. Russia has intelligence operatives in Ukraine, and they take their orders from Russia. And?


Now the next part - maybe if the USA didn't have a 15+ year history of direct lies and deception in order to justify illegal actions and demagogue other countries I might believe it :

""But he claimed that the intercepts provided proof of the Russians deliberately fomenting unrest in eastern Ukraine—and lying about it to U.S. officials and the public."


All I can say right now is show me the proof. Otherwise Kerry is just another lying sack of shit in Washington.

Just like these guys :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Scott Ritter, UNSCOM weapons inspector :

"And here we are, someone who the CIA knows is a fraud, the US Government knows is a fraud, is allowed to sit in front of the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations and give testimony as a expert witness. I got a problem with that, I got a problem with the American media, and I've told them over and over and over again that this man is a documentable fraud, a fake, and yet they allow him to go on CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, and testify as if he actually knows what he is talking about.[86]"

"Secretary of State Colin Powell had told the United Nations Security Council, "We have firsthand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails. We know what the fermenters look like. We know what the tanks, pumps, compressors and other parts look like."

"The Pentagon team had been sent to investigate the trailers after the invasion. The team of experts unanimously found "no connection to anything biological"; one of the experts told reporters that they privately called the trailers "the biggest sand toilets in the world." The report was classified, and the next day, the CIA publicly released the assessment of its Washington analysts that the trailers were "mobile biological weapons production."


These people are complete lying sacks of shit. They should have all been tried for treason and crucified in front of the capital.

Kerry, Obama, etc etc are all cut from the same cloth and do not deserve our trust whatsoever.

If he has proof, let him present that proof.
 

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Russia is a warmongering fascist piece of shit. What ever the US does or has done doesn't change this.

When Ukraine moved troops to Eastern Ukraine to take back those captured buildings and to smash down the roadblocks Russia moved their troops to less than 1km of the border and violated Ukrainian airspace threathening Ukraine with war. This is clearly an act to create unrest in Ukraine. It's obvious there are Russian saboteurs in Ukraine. This time it's just done differently to Crimea.


These "volunteers" are Russian. They admit it themselves on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QP6sM5VnUQ&list=PLw613M86o5o7DfgzuUCd_PVwbOCDO472B

Here the same group attacks a police station in Kramatorsk which happened a couple of weeks ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivO9nSRrfuY
Something hilarious happens after 3:30. It's a freaking circus there.
Love the guy who starts yelling at 2:05. :awe:
 
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norseamd

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we could seize the chelsea fc football team from roman abramovich if the muscovites decide to invade more of eastern ukraine

any other well known shit owned by russians
 

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Russia is a warmongering fascist piece of shit. What ever the US does or has done doesn't change this.

When Ukraine moved troops to Eastern Ukraine to take back those captured buildings and to smash down the roadblocks Russia moved their troops to less than 1km of the border and violated Ukrainian airspace threathening Ukraine with war. This is clearly an act to create unrest in Ukraine. It's obvious there are Russian saboteurs in Ukraine. This time it's just done differently to Crimea.


These "volunteers" are Russian. They admit it themselves on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QP6sM5VnUQ&list=PLw613M86o5o7DfgzuUCd_PVwbOCDO472B

Here the same group attacks a police station in Kramatorsk which happened a couple of weeks ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivO9nSRrfuY
Something hilarious happens after 3:30. It's a freaking circus there.
Love the guy who starts yelling at 2:05. :awe:


Did you actually watch that 2nd video?

The guy that was kidnapped basically explained that the bearded guy is not a Russian operative.

That should really be common sense. Unless Russia is training its special forces to blend in by being 55+ having a messy beard ( his would take many months to grow) and being 90lbs overweight, he is not special forces. Maybe he was 20 years ago, but he isn't now.
 

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Did you actually watch that 2nd video?

The guy that was kidnapped basically explained that the bearded guy is not a Russian operative.

That should really be common sense. Unless Russia is training its special forces to blend in by being 55+ having a messy beard ( his would take many months to grow) and being 90lbs overweight, he is not special forces. Maybe he was 20 years ago, but he isn't now.

You're a fucking idiot.

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Maybe I'm a bit too harsh. Sorry.
This man (Igor Strelkov) is a colonel of the Russian army:

He's been busy causing unrest in Slovyansk, there is plenty of video proof of that. The man himself has said that a third of the separatists in Eastern Ukraine are foreigners (Russian). This man worked in capturing Crimea just like the "volunteer" troops interviewed on the Vice News video. The Ukrainian secret police claims he works for the Russian intelligence agency. The EU actually added him to the ones sanctioned.

Why do these Russian "volunteers" now come forward? I don't know. Maybe they realise their cover has been blown and instead of denying being Russian they now switch to denying working for the Russian government but instead claim to be volunteers. The thruth will come out eventually and Russian lies will be judged objectively.
 
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