Back to 'two wrongs make a right' yet again I see.
More like the pot & kettle routine.
Oh grow up. It's the same damn thing: justifying a wrong by bringing up another wrong. And what of EU? You know, the one who is really at conflict with Russia, not the US. What imperialistic doctrine do they have that you can point to for justification?
Are you kidding? EU has been expanding faster than any empire in recent memory. Their attempt to suck in Ukraine is what precipitated this crisis in the first place.
Are you kidding? The EU is an empire in the same way the UN is an empire. Countries join voluntarily. It's CONSENSUAL. Which is a hell of a lot more than you can say about the way Putin goes about doing things.
Hell, if a country's policies don't meet with EU standards (e.g., Turkey), that application process can get delayed indefinitely. Joining the EU is a privilege that countries earn and that countries want. EU wasn't trying to suck in Ukraine--Ukraine was trying to break free of the Russian basketcase.
Are you kidding? EU has been expanding faster than any empire in recent memory. Their attempt to suck in Ukraine is what precipitated this crisis in the first place.
But it wants to keep paying Russian ally prices for gas, exporting to Russia on Russian ally terms, getting loans from Russia, etc. Basically they want Russia to subsidize their entry into the EU.
Yea, there is a HUGE difference the way the EU conducts itself versus the Soviet U.S.S.R. conducted itself.
EU: We offer many trade benefits and economic benefits being joined as partners. However, if you do not want to be a part of us that is fine, live in peace.
U.S.S.R.: You don't want to be a part of us? That's cool, we'll invade you anyways, kill a lot of your citizens, control your government, and imprison many of your citizens who survived our invasion.
Your version is yet another half-truth. The other half is that the problem in Ukraine was precipitated by Russia not wanting Ukraine to be a part of the EU. Big difference.
What precipitated this crisis is the horrendous economic conditions of Ukraine. That's why the baltic states with part ethnic Russian populations are not in revolts, because they have decent economies. Shall we look back into what has made the economic conditions so poor? Or would you rather not look behind that curtain? The people in Ukraine wanted to join the EU to benefit their economy.
My gosh how stupid can you be with your ancient out-dated logic?
It's not "The EU versus Russia"
It's not a fucking battle for supremacy between these two entities.
Ukraine should be able to ally with both sides, hell I would love it if Russia were allies with the EU and the rest of the world.
But that goes against Russian propaganda and Russia's method for keeping their ruling class in power.
You are an outdated dinosaur.
Wake up you fool.
^^
that really is the tale of this situation.
The EU and the west desire to make peaceful friends with its neighbors, while Russia desires to use their neighbors as human shields against the world.
That was EU's position. Either association agreement with us, or the Russian trade agreement, pick one. That's how this mess started.
But since you had to resort to name calling to supplement it, you must know your argument is weak already.
Maybe the reason why the EU is the fastest growing "empire" is because countries and their citizens desire to live in peace with their territorial neighbors.
No, it's just that you're acting like a fool and an imbecile and deserve to be called on it, which tends to happen when almost literally the entire developed world disagrees with your nonsense.
You can disagree without undermining your argument by resorting to personal attacks.
TBH, the Russian people were better off under Lenin than under Putin and that says a LOT.
Peace? You think these countries have peace in them?
Sure, the EU nations may not fight each other but I really, really doubt they are peaceful. Human beings can not be peaceful. They don't know peace.
That's an absurd claim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tambov_Rebellion
The election is over and the war that Kiev was too chicken-shit to fight, is on:
http://news.yahoo.com/battle-donetsk-airport-ukraine-leader-says-no-talks-063713602.html
If there has been one thing I learned from this thread it is that you cannot do anything to any ethnic Russian because they will always retaliate with nuclear bombs.
Prepare for nuclear holocaust.
In all seriousness, though, it's a shitty situation they've been thrust into. The goal should be for the two "sides" to figure out how to live together in peace, but sadly one side is fuel by propaganda to make that reality quite difficult to achieve.
so maidan protestors != terrorists but donetsk rebels = terrorist
okay continue with programming.
so maidan protestors != terrorists but donetsk rebels = terrorist
okay continue with programming.