Without looking over the whole agreement one thing for sure is that Ukraine would have to ask for this to be invoked.
Wow.
You seem to have one helluva point:
At first glance it appears we're treaty bound to defend the Ukraine.
Fern
Wow.
You seem to have one helluva point:
At first glance it appears we're treaty bound to defend the Ukraine.
Fern
Sir Tony Brenton, who served as British Ambassador from 2004 to 2008, said that war could be an option 'if we do conclude the [Budapest] Memorandum is legally binding.'
It promises to protect Ukraine's borders, in return for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons.
Kiev has demanded the agreement is activated after insisting their borders had been violated.
In response Mr Brenton said in a BBC radio interview: 'If indeed this is a Russian invasion of Crimea and if we do conclude the [Budapest] Memorandum is legally binding then it's very difficult to avoid the conclusion that we're going to go to war with Russia'.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-difficult-avoid-going-war.html#ixzz2ul1GRraa
The agreement is certainly causing some interesting remarks:
Fern
Ah, I had not heard that Ukraine had invoked it. Since it was not an official treaty however, I find it highly unlikely that the west finds it legally binding. (Conveniently)
Putin is looking at China and how that dragon is growing stronger every day and I bet he wishes to somehow attain/maintain parity with that nation and the USA on the strength of his own ego and nothing much else. Perceiving that their influence on the world stage let alone on their own borders is weakening while China is ever growing via its burgeoning economic engine I can't help but think Putin and Russians in general feel they must either strengthen themselves or weaken its potential enemies to protect their own existence and/or to become the fearsome bear it was in its glory days.
In his annual state of the nation speech to Russia’s parliament in December, Vladimir Putin assured conservatives around the world that Russia was ready and willing to stand up for ‘family values’ against a tide of liberal, western, pro-gay propaganda ‘that asks us to accept without question the equality of good and evil’. Russia, he promised, will ‘defend traditional values that have made up the spiritual and moral foundation of civilisation in every nation for thousands of years’. Crucially, Putin made it clear that his message was directed not only at Russians — who have already been protected from ‘promotion of non-traditional relationships’ by recent legislation — but for ‘more and more people across the world who support our position’.
The forces against the government in Kiev tend to be aligned with the EU and modern ‘democratic values’, including gay rights; whereas government supporters tend to be more Russophile and their banners include ones that say ‘EURO = HOMO’. These are precisely the battle lines on which Putin has raised his conservative ideological standard.
Last November, when it looked like the Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych was close to signing an Association Agreement with the European Union, billboards appeared across the country warning that the ‘EU means legalising same-sex marriage’.
Conservative values, international diplomacy, the architecture of the internet: apparently diverse areas where Russia is exercising international influence. They are all united by a common theme, the same one that is trumpeted very plainly by the Sochi Games: Russia is back as a major global player, and doesn’t care how much it costs to show it.
There’s a third plank to Russia’s ambitious programme to shape the world in its image: an ongoing campaign to redesign the global architecture of the internet to allow more control by individual states.
Last November a delegation of Russian senators and Foreign Ministry officials paid an official visit to the US to complain to American service providers for failing to guarantee user privacy. They also renewed demands to reform ICANN. A logical enough demand, on the face of it, after Snowden’s revelations revealed deeply flawed oversight systems over America’s spies. But the problem with dismantling ICANN is that it could lead to an increase in the control allowed to individual states not only over their own internet space — which they have already — but over the entire world wide web.
The issue of who controls the internet will be debated at a major international conference next year, the biggest such confab since 2005. Strategically, Russia has clearly set its sights on two goals: wresting control of the internet away from the US, and creating a new definition of ‘cyber-terrorism’ that’s as loose as its own legislation on ‘extremism’, which has recently been used to prosecute eco-activists, peaceful protestors, independent media outlets and gay activists.
This is going to be quite the debacle for McCain. On the one hand, authorizing action could mean kicking off a new war. On the other, it would mean supporting Obama. :hmm:
In response to reports of a Russian takeover in parts of Crimea, Arizona Senator John McCain said on Friday, “We are all Ukrainians,” before calling for swift U.S. economic aid to Ukraine, condemnation of Russia at the United Nations, sanctions against Russian officials and the installation of U.S. missiles in the nearby Czech Republic.
Russian President Vladimir Putin believes “this is a chess match reminiscent of the Cold War and we need to realize that and act accordingly,” McCain said, in an exclusive interview with TIME. “That does not mean I envision a conflict with Russia, but we need to take certain measures that would convince Putin that there is a very high cost to actions that he is taking now.”
Obama tells him not to, what the fuck does that dumb shit think Putin is going to do. I mean really, does Obama think that he has any say in what Putin is going to do. What will be funny is how the dumb fuck responds.
Obama tells him not to, what the fuck does that dumb shit think Putin is going to do. I mean really, does Obama think that he has any say in what Putin is going to do. What will be funny is how the dumb fuck responds.
The problem and I say that truthfully, because that is the way the world thinks, is that the Ukraine as a country has literally nothing of value (I am not talking about human lives) to offer anybody. Thus no ww3.....it really is that simple. If we let politics be our guide we could almost say that the Ukraine was a pawn of the west, used to poke the bear.... Well pawns have a way falling......there is nothing anybody is going to do militarily to stop Russia. Not even the Ukrainian people can do anything -- unless they want a blood bath -- the peoples blood! <-- fact!
you must really be an idiot if you honestly believe that we can change the outcome of this by committing troops, especially in Russia`s own backyard......we just need to double down on isolationism and appeasement. Whats the worst that could happen.
It will only get ugly for the people living there. Unless the world confront Russia with overwhelming and I mean overwhelming force and with the complete understanding that people will die on both sides...then nothing will happen!If Russian overreaches into the Ukrainian mainland, then this'll get ugly for sure.