Russia invades the Ukraine?

[michal1980]

just as predicated.

Liberals hate America's influence & power, they have reduced it to near zero in the world.

now the other 'super' powers are working to fill the vacuum.

 

[sportage]

I didn't know there were so many gays in Ukraine for his attention?
I mean Puttie? Not my Puttie.
Wonder if he'll attack shirtless riding a horse?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

just as predicated.

Liberals hate America's influence & power, they have reduced it to near zero in the world.

now the other 'super' powers are working to fill the vacuum.

As predicted Conservatives want small government and low budgets but that goes out the window when it comes to sending troops elsewhere.

 

[JEDIYoda]

just as predicated.

Liberals hate America's influence & power, they have reduced it to near zero in the world.
now the other 'super' powers are working to fill the vacuum.

Nobody is working to full this vacuum! You would have to be a total idiot to believe that we could do anything using our military to affect the outcome of this mess!

 

[michal1980]

Nobody is working to full this vacuum! You would have to be a total idiot to believe that we could do anything using our military to affect the outcome of this mess!

your right, we just need to double down on isolationism and appeasement. Whats the worst that could happen.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Of course this has nothing to do with gas pipeline disputes and the discovery of large shale gas deposits.

 

[Sonikku]

We've spent trillions over the course of many decades in making the best fighting force in the world for duking it out with an organized, singular power capable of fighting out in the open. Why don't we use it? Our billion dollar F35 programs are hardly suited to combating insurgents. None of our weapons are.

 

[nf4m]

We've spent trillions over the course of many decades in making the best fighting force in the world for duking it out with an organized, singular power capable of fighting out in the open. Why don't we use it? Our billion dollar F35 programs are hardly suited to combating insurgents. None of our weapons are.

lmfao. the US doesn't have the guts to challenge another nuke power. see backpedaling from syria.

feel free to enlist and head on over to kiev.

 

[mizzou]

Yeah, but you should also be aware that the inhabitants of Crimea (Crimean tatars) were deported in 1944 and replaced by ethnic russians....

fter Ukrainian independence
Percentage of Crimean Tatars by region in Crimea according to 2001 Ukrainian census

Today, more than 250,000 Crimean Tatars have returned to their homeland, struggling to re-establish their lives and reclaim their national and cultural rights against many social and economic obstacles. In 1991, the Crimean Tatar leadership founded the Qurultay, or Parliament, to act as a representative body for the Crimean Tatars which could address grievances to the Ukrainian central government, the Crimean government, and international bodies.[34] Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People is the executive body of the Qurultay.

Since the 1990s, the political leader of the Crimean Tatars and the chairman of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People is a former Soviet dissident Mustafa Abdülcemil Qırımoğlu.

 

[Darwin333]

Nobody is working to full this vacuum! You would have to be a total idiot to believe that we could do anything using our military to affect the outcome of this mess!

Aww come on, a full scale shooting war in Russia's backyard would be cakewalk and couldn't possibly have any negative outcomes!!

 

[Remobz]

This will end bad. I just know it.

 

[Sonikku]

lmfao. the US doesn't have the guts to challenge another nuke power. see backpedaling from syria.

feel free to enlist and head on over to kiev.

But if our conventional weapons are no use in a nuclear war, what was the point in developing them?

 

[sandorski]

This appears to violate the agreement that Ukraine, Russia, and the US signed in exchange for the Ukraine to surrender their Nuclear Weapons back in the 90's. Britain, France, and China also signed security guarantees for the Ukraine as part of this surrender.

I suppose we'll find out if these agreements still hold any real weight. Russia seems to not think so.

Link to agreements

 

[Fanatical Meat]

But if our conventional weapons are no use in a nuclear war, what was the point in developing them?

Maybe a good reason is deterrence so you don't have to be like NK and constantly bluff the world about nuclear destruction

 

[norseamd]

I didn't know there were so many gays in Ukraine for his attention? I mean Puttie? Not my Puttie. Wonder if he'll attack shirtless riding a horse?

the night wolves have gone to ukraine

 

[IronWing]

Aww come on, a full scale shooting war in Russia's backyard would be cakewalk and couldn't possibly have any negative outcomes!!

Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

 

[StinkyPinky]

just as predicated.

Liberals hate America's influence & power, they have reduced it to near zero in the world.

now the other 'super' powers are working to fill the vacuum.

Yeah, because the US is really going to go to war with Russia in their own backyward.

Because that has worked so well in history.

Sanctions would be a better option.

 

[Theb]

Security Council is jawing about it http://webtv.un.org/

 

[Nebor]

This appears to violate the agreement that Ukraine, Russia, and the US signed in exchange for the Ukraine to surrender their Nuclear Weapons back in the 90's. Britain, France, and China also signed security guarantees for the Ukraine as part of this surrender.

I suppose we'll find out if these agreements still hold any real weight. Russia seems to not think so.

Link to agreements

IIRC they weren't ratified by congress, so they have no legal standing in the US. Still, it's a matter of us keeping our word. Not that I'd advocate going to war over the Ukraine.

 

[RabidMongoose]

This will be a good test for Europe. Ukraine is entirely within Europe. Will the EU stand up to Russia? I doubt it. They are weak and entirely selfish. How many calamities are happening at Europe and around its borders? Libya, Syria, Ukraine now. Look at the past, too. WW1, WW2, Kosovo, etc.

The US needs to stay out of this, this is a European issue that should be handled by Europeans. If they kill each other, then so be it. We are already used to their bloodlust.

 

[LunarRay]

The UN is not a viable entity in this situation... Russia has the Veto...

The matter is ethnic, I think... more so than geographic. Russian transplants in Crimea wanting to be Russian seems a reasonable proposition to me.
I don't see a seat at the table in this matter for the US. I don't even want the US to be in the room. Let them sort out their own situation... even to the point of a somewhat return to the USSR...

Too bad Tom Clancy has died... would have made a good read as Ryan convinced his Russian friend to invade China instead.

 

[postmortemIA]

This will end bad. I just know it.

It won't. Ukraine at the moment has no army, and merciful Putin will peacefully take only part of Ukraine that he thinks belong to Russian people anyway.. and rest of world can just "establish that the situation on the ground is that SE Ukraine wants closer ties with Russian Federation"

EDIT. BTW already 150,000 people from Ukraine has found refugee in Russia.

 

[WackyDan]

This will be a good test for Europe. Ukraine is entirely within Europe. Will the EU stand up to Russia? I doubt it. They are weak and entirely selfish. How many calamities are happening at Europe and around its borders? Libya, Syria, Ukraine now. Look at the past, too. WW1, WW2, Kosovo, etc.

The US needs to stay out of this, this is a European issue that should be handled by Europeans. If they kill each other, then so be it. We are already used to their bloodlust.

See WW1 and WW2 for reference on how those went in the beginning.

 

[AViking]

Not that I want the US to be involved over here but even if Obama wanted to he can't. He's powerless unless he outright declares war on Russia which makes no sense.

Russia has been through this before with Georgia and knows that nobody can do anything.

Fascinating really.

 

[Fern]

This appears to violate the agreement that Ukraine, Russia, and the US signed in exchange for the Ukraine to surrender their Nuclear Weapons back in the 90's. Britain, France, and China also signed security guarantees for the Ukraine as part of this surrender.

I suppose we'll find out if these agreements still hold any real weight. Russia seems to not think so.

Link to agreements

Wow.

You seem to have one helluva point:

Before voting on accession, Ukraine demanded from Russia, the USA, France and the United Kingdom a written statement that these powers undertook to extend the security guarantees to Ukraine. Instead security assurances to Ukraine (Ukraine published the documents as guarantees given to Ukraine[5]) were given on 5 December 1994 at a formal ceremony in Budapest (known as the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances[6]), may be summarized as follows: Russia, the UK and the USA undertake to respect Ukraine's borders in accordance with the principles of the 1975 CSCE Final Act, to abstain from the use or threat of force against Ukraine, to support Ukraine where an attempt is made to place pressure on it by economic coercion, and to bring any incident of aggression by a nuclear power before the UN Security Council.

At first glance it appears we're treaty bound to defend the Ukraine.

Fern