Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Perknose

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Ukraine has been given Armored HumVee's by the US.
Yeah, but this video was supposed to be, in it's entirety, an interview with Russian troops shot on the Russian side of the field.
 
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Amused

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Yeah, but this video was supposed to be, in it's entirety, an interview with Russian troops shot on the Russian side of the field.

The caption says it's a Ukrainian soldier they're talking to?
 
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Perknose

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I can see how that would look that way if you misread it.
Doesn't help that they all sound the same to westerners. Lol
It would have had to have had a comma between 'line' and 'with."
 

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It would have had to have had a comma between 'line' and 'with."

Given the fact that no western/real/legitimate media has access to Russian troops I automatically assumed it was Ukrainian troops when I first watched it. But yeah, the grammar is definitely fudged.
 

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I really think at this point in time ukraine should be given F16 - and sooner rather than later. At first I was against this idea for various reasons but the atrocity committed on Ukraine is pretty much unforgivable. Probably the only escalation left for Russia is to use chemical or nuclear weapons and they still might if they feel that is the only way to win. Ultimately the problem is the lunatic calling the shots with total disregard for both Russian and Ukraine people.
 
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I really think at this point in time ukraine should be given F16 - and sooner rather than later. At first I was against this idea for various reasons but the atrocity committed on Ukraine is pretty much unforgivable. Probably the only escalation left for Russia is to use chemical or nuclear weapons and they still might if they feel that is the only way to win. Ultimately the problem is the lunatic calling the shots with total disregard for both Russian and Ukraine people.

The US should have given Ukraine M1 Abrams and F-16's last year so they would be ready for service in the offensive coming soon. Instead the Biden administration hemmed and hawed and now Ukraine will not get Abrams tanks until the Fall at the earliest.
 

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I really think at this point in time ukraine should be given F16 - and sooner rather than later. At first I was against this idea for various reasons but the atrocity committed on Ukraine is pretty much unforgivable. Probably the only escalation left for Russia is to use chemical or nuclear weapons and they still might if they feel that is the only way to win. Ultimately the problem is the lunatic calling the shots with total disregard for both Russian and Ukraine people.
I personally doubt Russia will use nuclear weapons because

1) they aren’t that effective in a military sense. You can destroy cities but military targets are almost by definition hardened against them.

2) I think this would cause the world to freak out and even countries trying to help Russia would turn against them.

I just don’t see the use case here.
 

Perknose

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I personally doubt Russia will use nuclear weapons because

1) they aren’t that effective in a military sense. You can destroy cities but military targets are almost by definition hardened against them.

2) I think this would cause the world to freak out and even countries trying to help Russia would turn against them.

I just don’t see the use case here.
While I like your reply, decisions like these are not always rational.
 

Indus

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While I like your reply, decisions like these are not always rational.

We should just buy Pakistan's nukes and give them to Ukraine and Taiwan.

Pakistan is going bankrupt and needs money.

Ukraine needs a level playing field without threats of Russia nuking them.
 

Ajay

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I personally doubt Russia will use nuclear weapons because
0.1% probability that Putin doesn't use nuclear weapons. The problem is that if he does use them, he knows it'll be all over for Russia. So, he might as well burn Europe to the ground with them. Maybe some key cities in the US to in a 'F*ck all of you' move. If the US went all in in 2014, or in 2022 (b/4 the Ruski's invaded) - things may have been different, but all that is now counterfactual.

The guy in the Oval office is calling the shots in consultation with his advisors and allies - for better or worse, this is the scenario he has chosen. He has seen the US fight many stupid wars, so it's drip, drip, drip for now (which is still allot of hardware BTW).
 

Ajay

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We should just buy Pakistan's nukes and give them to Ukraine and Taiwan.

Pakistan is going bankrupt and needs money.

Ukraine needs a level playing field without threats of Russia nuking them.
Yeah, that'll work just swell. Russia will nuke the UKR before their nukes are in place. Then we al might as well strip naked an run through a field of razor wire. It a better way to die than radiation sickness.
 

Indus

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Yeah, that'll work just swell. Russia will nuke the UKR before their nukes are in place. Then we al might as well strip naked an run through a field of razor wire. It a better way to die than radiation sickness.

Well..



And apparently Putin doesn't listen to them or he would have never invaded Ukraine would he?

So why must "we" always fight with not just one but both hands tied behind our back?

It's always been that way hasn't it.. even going back to Vietnam.. we could win but we weren't allowed to win.

But I digress.. and ask you.. how exactly do you reason with a madman who doesn't listen to reason like Putin?
 
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Putin almost certainly saw what happened in Afghanistan, and given their experience in Syria, thought a similar situation would happen in Ukraine.
Of course when things didn't work out that way Putin has no choice but to continue as retreating would make him look weak, so he has to continue until he can claim some kind of victory.

The one thing about this war is it is draining Russia's ability to project military force. I don't think they can last another year before running out of tanks and bmp's. If Putin is deposed and another dictator replaces him they can no longer threaten the world with military force.
Of course AI is set to change the world so rapidly that I don't know if any of that matter's.
 

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I really think at this point in time ukraine should be given F16 - and sooner rather than later. At first I was against this idea for various reasons but the atrocity committed on Ukraine is pretty much unforgivable. Probably the only escalation left for Russia is to use chemical or nuclear weapons and they still might if they feel that is the only way to win. Ultimately the problem is the lunatic calling the shots with total disregard for both Russian and Ukraine people.
Oddly enough I read an article this evening on yahoo that suggested the F16 would not be effective in Ukraine. The specific issue is the runway requirement for the jets would be difficult for Ukraine to meet and an easy target for Russia. The article also noted that USA would be reluctant to equip these jets if provided to Ukraine with the appropriate missile in fear that Russia would capture them (the missiles) and decipher their advance technology. However the article did suggest a Swedish produced jet as an effective plane for Ukraine both having the missile requirements Ukraine needs for effective air to air combat and the ability to function reliably on Ukraine's runways.

Now I can attest to the accuracy of the article but on the surface it sounded reasonable.
 
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trenchfoot

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Oddly enough I read an article this evening on yahoo that suggested the F16 would not be effective in Ukraine. The specific issue is the runway requirement for the jets would be difficult for Ukraine to meet and an easy target for Russia. The article also noted that USA would be reluctant to requip these jets if provided to Ukraine with the appropriate missile in fear that Russia would capture them (the missiles) and decipher their advance technology. However the article did suggest a Swedish produced jet as an effective plane for Ukraine both having the missile requirements Ukraine needs for effective air to air combat and the ability to function reliably on Ukraine's runways.

Now I can attest to the accuracy of the article but on the surface it sounded reasonable.


If I recall correctly the Nordic nations and Poland all have aircraft that can launch on short/improvised runways (especially the Gripen E and of course the untransferable F-35's) as lessons learned from previous conflicts with both Germany and Russia.
 

you2

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If I recall correctly the Nordic nations and Poland all have aircraft that can launch on short/improvised runways (especially the Gripen E and of course the untransferable F-35's) as lessons learned from previous conflicts with both Germany and Russia.
The problem wasn't just the length of the runway; the F16 (according to the article) sucks in a lot of air on take off and the runway has to be extremely clean to prevent debris from damaging the engine. In addition it has a 'weak' landing gear for reduced weight. The f16/A has a stronger landing gear (for carriers) but i'm not sure if it solves the engine issue.
 
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trenchfoot

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The problem wasn't just the length of the runway; the F16 (according to the article) sucks in a lot of air on take off and the runway has to be extremely clean to prevent debris from damaging the engine. In addition it has a 'weak' landing gear for reduced weight. The f16/A has a stronger landing gear (for carriers) but i'm not sure if it solves the engine issue.

I recall doing FOD walks back in the day babysitting F4's and then followed by 15's. I just missed the '22's being activated due to my retiring. There are drainage canals along the runways where I was stationed and we used to bring fishing gear while taking that stroll. We'd always catch some pretty good size fish and throw'um back in for the next time when they got bigger.
 

dainthomas

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I personally doubt Russia will use nuclear weapons because

1) they aren’t that effective in a military sense. You can destroy cities but military targets are almost by definition hardened against them.

2) I think this would cause the world to freak out and even countries trying to help Russia would turn against them.

I just don’t see the use case here.

That's why the US making AFU fight with one arm behind their back is ridiculous.
 
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