Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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fskimospy

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While I find Russia behavior disgusting; this behavior isn't much better; esp. because it calls out a specific subset of foreign people residing in the country.
I agree it’s not great but when Russia has repeatedly used the excuse of protecting Russian speaking citizens as a justification for invasion I kind of get it.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Yes but for most of those landing was not the goal of the mission.

It’s still an impressive technological achievement by the USSR and it should go without saying that space exploration is really hard, but it took them a ton of attempts to get much of anything back.
Modern Russia would just make it manned and send them with a radio.
 

Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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Good article

That is everything I would say and more.
We need to plan at least as long term as the Russians are.

However long they intend to invade Europe and commit atrocities, we must be committed to doing everything that is needed to stop them. With forethought and planning, not just reactionary BS that sends in supplies months or years after they were first needed. This is our war and we need to treat it that way. If not in our direct involvement, then at least in our supplies and logistics for our allies. We need to be the driving force that brings this war to an end through Ukrainian and European victory.

It would be an absolute disgrace if we were to just sit by and watch while feeding them scraps. We must do more, our actions must be decisive or Russia's thirst for blood will not end. Not at the Polish border or any other. Our actions (or lack thereof) will determine if this war ends with an outcome, or merely pauses for future engagements. After 2014, the correct and moral choice should be crystal clear.
 

Racan

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Leopards, Donetsk direction

 

Exterous

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Yes, yes . . . yes it is.

And I was one of those who also thought otherwise. What really surprises me is that Russia is not dominating, or at least doing more damage, in the cyber warfare realm. I actually thought they were masters of it.
One of the problems for Russia is that they've been launching just incredible amounts of cyberattacks against Ukraine since 2014. For example a record setting DDOS in 2014, significant portions of their power grid were disrupted in 2015 and then again in 2016. That taught and the reinforced some harsh lessons for Ukraine over the many years since then. Given that, despite notable exceptions like Solarwinds, most cyberwarfare is heavily facilitated by a lack of security education, laziness and cheapness, it gave Ukraine a lot of time and motivation to make the changes necessary to really harden their environments. Part of the reason we see so many breaches in the US is that IT Security is more of a cost center than regular IT and is just downright inconvenient. So education efforts stall or are small in scale, those servers and computers stay unpatched or unsupported and that software remains in the environment because it would be too expensive or disruptive to revenue to do otherwise. (Although the US government has really been stepping up their requirements (New NIST and CMMC) along with more resources from the FBI and CISA to help)

The invasion also stripped a lot of the protections and revenue streams Russian groups were afforded as Western countries were trying to maintain more cordial relationships with Russia. If you don't have companies operating in Russia and your citizens aren't heating their homes with Russian gas you start caring a lot less what Russia thinks about you more aggressively targeting hackers operating out of Russia. I have no doubt Ukraine has also been inviting a lot of partnerships with governments and leading security firms to help with mutual benefits all around.

Going forward I suspect the brain drain in Russia is really going to hamper their ability to operate in this space esp when you juxtapose it with the US which really picked up its focus and investments in cyber security. They'd probably need to spend a lot more to retain or get talent and I doubt we're going back to playing on the tilted field we were on prior to the invasion
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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While I find Russia behavior disgusting; this behavior isn't much better; esp. because it calls out a specific subset of foreign people residing in the country.

no, it's perfectly acceptable behavior. If you've ever spent time in Latvia or know any Latvians pretty well, you'd be familiar with the endless terrorism these fucking occupiers have subjected on Latvia for the last 8 decades, even after independence #2 in 1991. All of these proud and perfect Russians--who have only known Latvia and of course would never dare to move back to wonderful and proud Russia--have done nothing but terrorize Latvia.

Latvia is simply getting around to fixing the mistake they made that Estonia didn't make: kick all of the fucking Russians out after 1991, no exceptions. Roughly 1/3rd of their country is occupied by little Russian villages of orcs that absolutely work to bring the USSR back into Latvia, which they believe belongs to the USSR and Putin.

Fuck them hard. Latvia is doing what they should have done decades ago.
 

Ajay

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Jan 8, 2001
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The UK has previously said that it will supply Ukraine with long-range weapons, this will now include a number of Storm Shadow missiles. The British Government has been clear that this is only in response to Russia’s deliberate targeting of civilian national infrastructure and is a proportionate response,” a Western official told CNN.
The Storm Shadow is a long-range cruise missile with stealth capabilities, jointly developed by the UK and France, which is typically launched from the air. With a firing range in excess of 250km, or 155 miles, it is just short of the 185-mile range capability of the US-made surface-to-surface Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS, that Ukraine has long asked for.

First, the UK has set a great precedent here - sending long range weapons because Russia is targeting civilians. A very defensible position to take.

Second, the US can use that same precedent to justify sending ATACAMS and other longer range weapons.

The UK also sees Crimea as part of Ukraine occupied be the Russians - so it’s fair game for western supplied weapons - according to the report.

If the UA can take the south West Bank of the Azov sea - kiss the Kerch bridge goodbye.
 
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K1052

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First, the UK has set a great precedent here - sending long range weapons because Russia is targeting civilians. A very defensible position to take.

Second, the US can use that same precedent to justify sending ATACAMS and other longer range weapons.

The UK also sees Crimea as part of Ukraine occupied be the Russians - so it’s fair game for western supplied weapons - according to the report.

If the UA can take the south West Bank of the Azov sea - kiss the Kerch bridge goodbye.

There had also been some word that the UK was working to obtain Turkish made SRBMs on Ukraine's behalf.
 
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dainthomas

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First, the UK has set a great precedent here - sending long range weapons because Russia is targeting civilians. A very defensible position to take.

Second, the US can use that same precedent to justify sending ATACAMS and other longer range weapons.

The UK also sees Crimea as part of Ukraine occupied be the Russians - so it’s fair game for western supplied weapons - according to the report.

If the UA can take the south West Bank of the Azov sea - kiss the Kerch bridge goodbye.

Also seems like a great opportunity to hit rail lines/highways into Crimea. Aren't there only a couple anyway? I guess it depends whether the Ukrainians want to preserve them for their own move south, and just use Storm Shadows to soften them up.

Not sure what the US is waiting for regarding ATACMS. There are plenty of juicy targets in occupied Ukraine, and there are exactly zero instances of them using US weapons in attacks on Russian soil.
 

Perknose

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One of the problems for Russia is that they've been launching just incredible amounts of cyberattacks against Ukraine since 2014. For example a record setting DDOS in 2014, significant portions of their power grid were disrupted in 2015 and then again in 2016. That taught and the reinforced some harsh lessons for Ukraine over the many years since then. Given that, despite notable exceptions like Solarwinds, most cyberwarfare is heavily facilitated by a lack of security education, laziness and cheapness, it gave Ukraine a lot of time and motivation to make the changes necessary to really harden their environments. Part of the reason we see so many breaches in the US is that IT Security is more of a cost center than regular IT and is just downright inconvenient. So education efforts stall or are small in scale, those servers and computers stay unpatched or unsupported and that software remains in the environment because it would be too expensive or disruptive to revenue to do otherwise. (Although the US government has really been stepping up their requirements (New NIST and CMMC) along with more resources from the FBI and CISA to help)

The invasion also stripped a lot of the protections and revenue streams Russian groups were afforded as Western countries were trying to maintain more cordial relationships with Russia. If you don't have companies operating in Russia and your citizens aren't heating their homes with Russian gas you start caring a lot less what Russia thinks about you more aggressively targeting hackers operating out of Russia. I have no doubt Ukraine has also been inviting a lot of partnerships with governments and leading security firms to help with mutual benefits all around.

Going forward I suspect the brain drain in Russia is really going to hamper their ability to operate in this space esp when you juxtapose it with the US which really picked up its focus and investments in cyber security. They'd probably need to spend a lot more to retain or get talent and I doubt we're going back to playing on the tilted field we were on prior to the invasion
Just saw this. Apparently, our cyber counter-intel did good!
 

Brovane

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