Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
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The idea that there is some secret Russian force or arsenal kept in reserve at this point is contrary to all available evidence. We've seen maximum effort from them and we don't seem able to accept the stark reality that Russia is and was FAR weaker than we assessed.
True, but there is some "deniable fuckery" he could do around Zaporichzhia that would cause a shit ton of devastion and death.
 

K1052

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US is purchasing and upgrading Gepards from Jordan for Ukraine. 50-60 units.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/3412353//

Global Military Products Inc,* Tampa, Florida, was awarded an $118,375,740 firm-fixed-price contract for the purchase and delivery of Gepard 35 mm air defense systems. Bids were solicited via the internet with one received. Work will be performed in Amman, Jordan, with an estimated completion date of May 30, 2024. Fiscal 2010 Foreign Military Sales (Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative) funds in the amount of $118,375,740 were obligated at the time of the award. Army Contracting Command, Newark, New Jersey, is the contracting activity (W15QKN-23-C-0012).
 

NTMBK

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These tanks were purchased from Italy where they still remain. They were never moved to Switzerland. Dunno how you re-export ban something that was never imported in the first place.

They should just sell them back to Italy or something who will transfer to Germany.

Hopefully Switzerland signs off on this quickly. Ukraine needs every weapon they can get.
 
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K1052

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Hopefully Switzerland signs off on this quickly. Ukraine needs every weapon they can get.

Ukraine should start receiving the 200ish refurbished ex-Danish and ex-German 1A5s soon if they are not already. The ex-Italian tanks will need to also go to Rheinmetall for refurbishment since they've basically been sitting for the past decade. Also would be nice if the Swiss would sell more of their surplus 2A4s back to Germany so Germany could send more of theirs to Ukraine, they've only ok'd 25 of the nearly 100 they're looking to unload.
 
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cytg111

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Hopefully Switzerland signs off on this quickly. Ukraine needs every weapon they can get.
Fucking Switzerland, surrounded by NATO countries and no maritime port. “We’re neutral”, yea cause someone else is buffering your security. What a ……
 
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Jaskalas

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If Russia must increase its focus on Belgorod, that could help soften their hold over Ukraine. Especially in the South where Ukraine needs to strike the most. Won't be Orc free, but it may reduce Russian flexibility to reinforce any fronts that break. "Russia go home and defend YOUR borders" is a great message. An ultimate ceasefire / peace deal may require blocking further attacks from originating in Ukraine, but I hear Georgia is a great place to visit.
 
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zinfamous

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If Russia must increase its focus on Belgorod, that could help soften their hold over Ukraine. Especially in the South where Ukraine needs to strike the most. Won't be Orc free, but it may reduce Russian flexibility to reinforce any fronts that break. "Russia go home and defend YOUR borders" is a great message. An ultimate ceasefire / peace deal may require blocking further attacks from originating in Ukraine, but I hear Georgia is a great place to visit.

yes, I'm wondering how much of this is in concert with Ukraine--probably a certain degree, but I wonder how long those incursion forces are expected to last if Ukraine doesn't push hard against the front line in the coming days. it seems those assaults into Belgorod region are far enough away from where Ukraine probably wants to push--the Kherson-to-Mariupol area--but maybe that could be enough with a hard push from Ukraine in that direction, Russian forces may start to pull back a wee bit in the north to go fortify their own border....which maybe then gives Ukraine forces a smaller number of assault teams needed to suddenly start taking that ground back, to really start panicking the orcs.

Dunno, I feel that's maybe a wee bit too obvious, but they're all mobiks with almost no command, so who the fuck knows how they handle this.
 
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