Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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trenchfoot

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Greed hath no bounds. It's just business as usual. Question being, is our gov't and those of our allies willing to piss off those folks who are making bank on the sleight of hand deals they've worked out with Putin while simultaneously handing our politicians all manner of financial support from those shadowy profits being made with our enemies?
 
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cytg111

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Greed hath no bounds. It's just business as usual. Question being, is our gov't and those of our allies willing to piss off those folks who are making bank on the sleight of hand deals they've worked out with Putin while simultaneously handing our politicians all manner of financial support from those shadowy profits being made with our enemies?
Jail them for treason. 40 years minimum.
 

Jaskalas

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Looks like the Velyka Novosilka area is doing well but the Tokmak offensive axis stalled.
I heard Russia has relocated 90% of its reserve units to the southern front.
At some point, Ukraine will be pushing through a hundred thousand Russians in order to reclaim its land.
There will be no lightning blitz, because unlike Kharkiv, the frontline is now heavily guarded.

Stalling is to be expected, hopefully there are enough missiles / ammo to dislodge Russians from their main defensive line as things heat up.
 

K1052

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As long as there is a pipeline for replacements the time delay is kinda meh since Ukraine likely keeps a reserve of all types. The US last I checked has a couple thousand Bradleys still in stored inventory and even more Strykers so no danger of running out anytime soon.

Army has recently floored the gas on the Bradley replacement program with units to start being fielded in 2026.
 

Ajay

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God bless these UA soldiers. This is a pretty damn hard way to make a living (not that that the reason they are doing it). Great combat footage though. If you are able to reasonably imagine yourself in this situation, it will sober you up fast. I know some folks get really miffed over the 'warrior' worship culture in the US, and of course that is a very complex issue; but these guys are worthy of some awe and love for what they are doing. There is not greater love than to lay down ones life for another.

 
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Roger Wilco

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As long as there is a pipeline for replacements the time delay is kinda meh since Ukraine likely keeps a reserve of all types. The US last I checked has a couple thousand Bradleys still in stored inventory and even more Strykers so no danger of running out anytime soon.

Army has recently floored the gas on the Bradley replacement program with units to start being fielded in 2026.

15 new Bradleys in the latest package, along with 10 new Strykers.


And from what I’ve read, western armor is doing a much better job of protecting personnel than soviet armor.
 

Racan

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It was the first confirmed damage to Bradleys during this conflict. And it happened during one of the most dangerous and complex maneuvers possible — a breaching operation. Making matters worse, it was conducted without air support and questionable suppressive artillery fire.


In addition to some of their vehicles running over mines and in some cases apparently being hit by anti-tank guided missiles, the troops inside were on the receiving end of overwhelming Russian direct and indirect fire from both sides. This is according to an analysis conducted at the behest of The War Zone of that imagery by an expert with years of armor operations and Bradley tactics experience.

They were in an extremely difficult situation. The ambush was very well prepared, no wonder it ended the way it did.
 

Kaido

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I have Russian friends. I have Ukrainian friends. None of them want to be involved in this war. Russia is doing the typical Russian thing of using human beings as fodder. It's easy to laugh at headlines like this, as Russia's the bad guy on the world stage right now, but none of those Russian kids really want to be there right now. What a bunch of garbage.

I struggle a lot with reverse comparative suffering. Like, I get to enjoy Doordash & Netflix, Amazon shipping of anything on the planet, etc. These guys were minding their own business & got conscripted into this nonsense. I can't even imagine.

 

bononos

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They were in an extremely difficult situation. The ambush was very well prepared, no wonder it ended the way it did.
It doesn't seem to be an unlucky ambush, the Ukrainian assault waves were starting to get pounded with artillery and drones long before they reached the first enemy trenches. Ukrainians didn't seem to have air support/air defense and enough de-mining equipment/sappers. Enemy helicopters, jets and drones were flying around them.

And it was the well trained 'elite' 47th mechanized brigade which trained in Germany with Leo 2 tanks which was active in the attacks. If they made no headway after several failed attempts with more and more tanks and AFVs, the result won't be any different in future unless Ukraine can get some measure of air superiority and better support to reduce enemy artillery/drones.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/06/11/the-ukrainians-are-risking-their-best-leopard-2-and-m-2-vehicles-because-the-prize-a-tokmak-breakthrough-is-worth-it/

Did some checking and found that that the 47th are still fighting there, probably just not in large armored columns now.
 
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fskimospy

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