Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[K1052]

Truly, if it takes us multiple years to even restart production lines. China has to be rather upset that this lead time, this weakness, is now a lost opportunity that they can no longer exploit.
OTOH, ground weapons are probably not related to the air / naval battle ahead. Perhaps we will never ramp up production for those assets, and China won't have as much of an issue from Russia's land war as we would like to think?

The lines for almost everything the Pentagon wants to buy re: China are running but might need expansion. Lockheed just got the 2nd JASSM/LRASM line open and they're good for 1000 units a year now which covers US and foreign military sales needs.

Targeted munitions for expanded multi-year procurement are:

JASSM/LRASM
SM-6
JSM/NSM
AIM-120D
PrSM
Patriot PAC-3 MSE
GMLRS-ER

A bigger problem is likely going to be the Navy's VLS magazine capacity especially as the Ticonderoga class gets retired. Probably should have bought a few San Antonio class ships in the arsenal configuration which would carry almost 300 cells instead of just waiting for DDG(X) which probably won't arrive on time.

 

[fskimospy]

The lines for almost everything the Pentagon wants to buy re: China are running but might need expansion. Lockheed just got the 2nd JASSM/LRASM line open and they're good for 1000 units a year now which covers US and foreign military sales needs.

Targeted munitions for expanded multi-year procurement are:

JASSM/LRASM
SM-6
JSM/NSM
AIM-120D
PrSM
Patriot PAC-3 MSE
GMLRS-ER

A bigger problem is likely going to be the Navy's VLS magazine capacity especially as the Ticonderoga class gets retired. Probably should have bought a few San Antonio class ships in the arsenal configuration which would carry almost 300 cells instead of just waiting for DDG(X) which probably won't arrive on time.

We could also always just not retire the CGs. The first four we retired (including my ship, the Valley Forge!) weren’t VLS capable anyway so nothing was lost there.

 

[K1052]

We could also always just not retire the CGs. The first four we retired (including my ship, the Valley Forge!) weren’t VLS capable anyway so nothing was lost there.

I believe delayed retirements likely. Though if I was the navy might want to glance around at stored hulls they could shove a ton of Mk 41 cells in quickly if not super elegantly. They’re trying to figure out reloads at sea which is….tricky to say the least.

 

[fskimospy]

I believe delayed retirements likely. Though if I was the navy might want to glance around at stored hulls they could shove a ton of Mk 41 cells in quickly if not super elegantly. They’re trying to figure out reloads at sea which is….tricky to say the least.

The reason I heard for why they decommissioned the first four CGs was the process to convert them was basically sawing the front of the ship off, which was very expensive.

 

[K1052]

The reason I heard for why they decommissioned the first four CGs was the process to convert them was basically sawing the front of the ship off, which was very expensive.

Yeah I was thinking something easier and cheaper like converting ex-Tarawa class which is laid out more advantageously.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

@Young Grasshopper generally ignores any and all questions that would require him to be critical of Russia in any way.

Maybe we could create some sort of bounty or bet. Whoever gets YG to say something solidly critical about Russia wins the pot. Sure, the pot may never be claimed, but at least it would be fun.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Putin Sent Wagner to Belarus to Prepare Attack on Poland: Russian Lawmaker​

Wagner Group forces could take a key Polish region "in a matter of hours," MP Andrey Kartapolov recently alleged.


Yay? Nay?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Putin Sent Wagner to Belarus to Prepare Attack on Poland: Russian Lawmaker​

Wagner Group forces could take a key Polish region "in a matter of hours," MP Andrey Kartapolov recently alleged.


Yay? Nay?

Putin is terrified of NATO. And he’s demonstrated they can’t stand up to decades old weaponry. Not a chance in hell they want to face up to date technology head on and full force. Zero

 

[Ajay]

Does this mean we will see less of @Young Grasshopper and all his adorable deplorables?

@Young Grasshopper has dodged all questions relating to him being a Russian has he not?

@Young Grasshopper generally ignores any and all questions that would require him to be critical of Russia in any way.

The three of you - please stop tagging this bozo . I have him on ignore - but, nonetheless, he'll come into this thread and blast out a bunch of bunk and then y'all will reply to him and derail this thread for two pages.

 

[fskimospy]

Putin Sent Wagner to Belarus to Prepare Attack on Poland: Russian Lawmaker​

Wagner Group forces could take a key Polish region "in a matter of hours," MP Andrey Kartapolov recently alleged.


Yay? Nay?

This seems like ridiculous bullshit to me.

Poland is part of NATO. If Russia or anyone else attacked a NATO member the US military would destroy them in short order. Basically if Putin wants to commit suicide attacking Poland would be a good way to do it.

 

[fskimospy]

The three of you - please stop tagging this bozo . I have him on ignore - but, nonetheless, he'll come into this thread and blast out a bunch of bunk and then y'all will reply to him and derail this thread for two pages.

This is a message board. If you want it moderated differently talk to the moderators, not the members.

 

[Jaskalas]

Wagner Group forces could take a key Polish region "in a matter of hours," MP Andrey Kartapolov recently alleged.

Russians say a lot of crap, but it mostly ends there.
Poland is already on guard with beefed up security compared to before. I wouldn't be worried until Russia proved dumb enough to actually strike NATO.

 

[Zor Prime]

Putin Sent Wagner to Belarus to Prepare Attack on Poland: Russian Lawmaker​

Wagner Group forces could take a key Polish region "in a matter of hours," MP Andrey Kartapolov recently alleged.


Yay? Nay?

Naw. That's dumb even for them.

Wagner apparently got a red carpet rolled out for them in Belarus and are helping train up the Belarusian military and the government is building training camps for Wagner. To what end? Poland won't be the target.

Oddly enough, you have people in Russia claiming that Poland will attack Ukraine and annex western portions of it. Hard to believe anything coming out of Russia until it materializes.

 

[fskimospy]

Maybe we could create some sort of bounty or bet. Whoever gets YG to say something solidly critical about Russia wins the pot. Sure, the pot may never be claimed, but at least it would be fun.

Haha that would be fun.

@Young Grasshopper can you tell us anything about Russia that you think is bad?

Bonus points if you can tell us why Putin is bad personally.

 

[rommelrommel]

Putin Sent Wagner to Belarus to Prepare Attack on Poland: Russian Lawmaker​

Wagner Group forces could take a key Polish region "in a matter of hours," MP Andrey Kartapolov recently alleged.


Yay? Nay?

Could they bum rush the sulwaki corridor and claim to “hold” it for a few days? Sure, with some surprise.

Does that accomplish anything positive? Lol no. Belarus and Russia don’t even need to run up against article 5 to regret that, Poland could do that on their own. May as well rename Kaliningrad to whatever the Poles want to call it now and cut to the chase.

 

[Ajay]

This is a message board. If you want it moderated differently talk to the moderators, not the members.

This is a message board. I made a post with your post in reply. I expressed a simple desire, that's how these boards work. If you don't like it, don't blame me for not seeking moderation help - a simply 'no' would have worked fine.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

We don't really know what's stewing with the cooks.

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World News // 51 minutes ago
Ukraine confirms Wagner Group forces have arrived in Belarus
July 15 (UPI) -- Wagner Group forces have arrived in Belarus, Ukraine's border guard confirmed Saturday, as Russian President Vladimir Putin attempted to drive a wedge been the mercenaries and their boss, Yevgeny Prigozhin.​

 

[fskimospy]

This is a message board. I made a post with your post in reply. I expressed a simple desire, that's how these boards work. If you don't like it, don't blame me for not seeking moderation help - a simply 'no' would have worked fine.

Congratulations. Tell me how that works out.

 

[Jaskalas]

Oddly enough, you have people in Russia claiming that Poland will attack Ukraine and annex western portions of it. Hard to believe anything coming out of Russia until it materializes.

In the scenario that Russia manages to cross to Dnipro and take Kyiv, thereby eliminating Ukraine, it would make sense for us to save some western cities through direct intervention.
Russia would call that an attack. In truth, it would be a final stopgap to save some Ukrainian lives before Russia reached Poland. Europe would need land for 30 million refugees.

Thankfully, the retaking of Kherson City has made that scenario highly unlikely.
Worst case scenario now, IMO, is losing everything east of the Dnipro IF the Ukrainian army collapses due to attrition, or that may occur if we betray Ukraine after electing treason next year.

 

[cytg111]

The three of you - please stop tagging this bozo . I have him on ignore - but, nonetheless, he'll come into this thread and blast out a bunch of bunk and then y'all will reply to him and derail this thread for two pages.

Nah, end of dialog is the start of something else, ill never stop yapping

 

[K1052]

Could they bum rush the sulwaki corridor and claim to “hold” it for a few days? Sure, with some surprise.

Does that accomplish anything positive? Lol no. Belarus and Russia don’t even need to run up against article 5 to regret that, Poland could do that on their own. May as well rename Kaliningrad to whatever the Poles want to call it now and cut to the chase.

My understanding is that the Poles want nothing to do with Kaliningrad as it is "a dump" and filled with Russians who they do not want anything to do with. Maybe if they made them all return to territorial Russia as a result of such an attempt.

 

[brycejones]

The three of you - please stop tagging this bozo . I have him on ignore - but, nonetheless, he'll come into this thread and blast out a bunch of bunk and then y'all will reply to him and derail this thread for two pages.

LOL, stop being a snowflake.

 

[dphantom]

Putin is terrified of NATO. And he’s demonstrated they can’t stand up to decades old weaponry. Not a chance in hell they want to face up to date technology head on and full force. Zero

no stupid to even ask

 

[Young Grasshopper]

Putin is terrified of NATO. And he’s demonstrated they can’t stand up to decades old weaponry. Not a chance in hell they want to face up to date technology head on and full force. Zero

I think you have it backwards bud. We have heard repeatedly that NATO doesn’t want a war with Russia over and over again. They're also stonewalling on sending F16s and refuse to send long range weapons, all due to fear that it could trigger a direct war with Russia.


Besides, I don’t think Putin is scared of a coalition that lost a 20 year war to an army without a single plane, boat or tank.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

I think you have it backwards bud. We have heard repeatedly that NATO doesn’t want a war with Russia over and over again. They're also stonewalling on sending F16s and refuse to send long range weapons, all due to fear that it could trigger a direct war with Russia.


Besides, I don’t think Putin is scared of a coalition that lost a 20 year war to an army without a single plane, boat or tank.

You don't threaten nukes unless you are terrified. He has threatened nukes repeatedly. Putin has recently stationed tactical nukes in Belarus. You don't do that if you have confidence that you can win a conventional war.

If there was a completely guaranteed conventional war between Russia and NATO, NATO would shit on Russia and make Russia wipe.